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Subject: Re: Ruffian 0.76 is still playing incredible strong!

Author: Chessfun

Date: 15:53:38 09/19/02

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On September 19, 2002 at 18:45:52, Miguel A. Ballicora wrote:

>On September 19, 2002 at 18:33:37, Chessfun wrote:
>>On September 19, 2002 at 18:21:10, pavel wrote:
>>>On September 19, 2002 at 18:06:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>>>That's the point.  I can't imagine someone working on an engine, in a vacuum,
>>>>>>>>for a decade, before anyone finds out about it.  I can't imagine anyone writing
>>>>>>>>a program in 6 months that would come close to beating _any_ top program.
>>>>>>>>Anything is possible, I will agree.  But the probability is so low that it
>>>>>>>>will make people wonder...
>>>>>>>I hope you realize that you have essentially *publicly* leveled an accusation
>>>>>>>without presenting any evidence. I would prefer in such cases that either an
>>>>>>>investigation be conducted discretely or a wait and see policy be followed.
>>>>>>I haven't leveled _any_ accusation whatsoever.  I asked a direct question,
>>>>>>pointing out what has happened in the past.  I have _not_ said that this
>>>>>>program is a "clone" or anything else, and you can feel free to find some-
>>>>>>thing I wrote that does make that claim...
>>>>>>As I said previously, I find it _hard_ to believe that a newcomer would be
>>>>>>that strong.  _not_ impossible, just _unlikely_.  I stand by that...  If some-
>>>>>>one takes that the wrong way, fine by me...
>>>>>No offense.
>>>>>But you had the same impression when YACE came out.
>>>>Yace first release was clearly wekaer than yace of today.
>>>Yes I know that.
>>>But the time between the first released version of Yace and the last version of
>>>Yace was very short, if you consider the increase in strenth.
>>>It was when Yace starting doing as good (or even better) that Bob thought it was
>>>a crafty clone.
>>>Later Dann verified himself and convinced Bob.
>>Hi Pavel,
>>        It's my honest hope that in this case someone will also be able to do
>>the same thing as Dann with Yace. Ruffian has been rumored to be a Crafty clone
>>on ICC for some time and I don't doubt Dr. Hyatt has heard those rumors.
>Before, in this forum, it was accused of
>1) not reporting the right hardware
>2) playing with the "move now" controlled by the operator
>3) being a commercial program (and lying about being an amateur in the notes)
>4) being Russian in a supercomputer

>I am really surprised that nobody suggested the real truth.
>5) It is Bobby Fischer.

Then how will Bobby fit into my PC?, do I have to feed him?. ;-)


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