Author: Peter Skinner
Date: 07:30:10 09/21/02
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On September 21, 2002 at 10:15:00, pavel wrote: >On September 21, 2002 at 10:07:02, Peter Skinner wrote: > >>Personally I agree with Bob on this one. >> >>For Ruffian to be as strong as it is, and no one ever hear about it until a few >>weeks ago is kind of suspicious. >> >>The results against the commercial products is what makes me believe this. There >>has only one post where Ruffian has lost a series to a commercial product. This >>to me sounds a little fishy. >> >>When Ruffian started on FICS quite a while ago the account used Fritz 5.32 via >>the Ebbi autoplayer for it's games, on a PII 300 Mhz system. A few weeks later >>out comes the Ruffian engine and not a single rating point difference came of >>it. It was doing well for the hardware and the program used being Fritz. I >>thought and actually asked several times about the hardware used and I was only >>ever told to read the finger notes like the operator couldn't remember what he >>put there. >> >>I remember this only because the operator of the account was actually very rude >>in asking for help getting the autoplayer to work correctly. He was having >>problems with the winboard commandline options for the auto player. >> >>So personally I don't believe this is a _new_ engine. Rather an _old_ engine >>simply renamed and possibly a few perameters changed to attain the results it >>has. >> >>I would not doubt it is simply Fritz or something. >> >>If I left any doubt I will say again. If you look on the "doubters" fence, I >>will be sitting next to Robert drinking coffee. > > >How does it feel to not make any sense? >Ruffian is a Winboard/UCI engine, fritz supports none of those protocol. I said he _used_ Fritz in the past. I would not doubt if it was in fact a rip off of another commercial product. > >Telling that it is a fake is questioning not only integrity of the programmer >but also a shitload of fine people who are testing it. > >pavs Saying it is fake is more likely to the truth than the possibility that it is a _new_ found discovery. If you designed a chess program that beat everything out there, would you not be making results public? Or have someone doing that for you? It does not take a few months to make a program of that strength. It would take years. If you want to follow the rainbow to end to get the pot of gold, I am afraid it might be a used pot. Just beware. I have a sinking feeling here that I am _not_ going to be the one that is going to look foolish.
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