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Subject: Re: Positional Moves Vs Strong Human Masters (4 Programs)

Author: scott farrell

Date: 04:58:59 12/21/02

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On December 21, 2002 at 01:48:41, Dana Turnmire wrote:

Great thread. I am working on this sort of thing at the moment. I have been
trying to make it play GM moves, with lots of sacs, and positional trickery.

>I picked up a book entitled "Multiple Choice Chess" by IM Graeme Buckley.  Here
>are six positions from the game Ward-Voskanian (1995) in which the best move
>must be made.  I ran four different programs on an AMD 1800+ computer to see how
>they compared.  I'm assuming since Mr. Buckley is a strong IM he typifies how a
>strong human player assesses a position.
>
>[Event "?"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "1995.??.??"]
>[Round "?"]
>[White "Ward, Christopher"]
>[Black "Voskanian, Vahagn"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>[ECO "D35"]
>
>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 Nbd7 7. Bd3 Nf8 8.
>Qc2 Ne6 9. Bh4 c6 10. Nf3 g6 11. O-O O-O 12. Rab1 Ng7 13. b4 a6 14. a4 Bf5 15.
>Ne5 Bxd3 16. Nxd3 Nf5 17. Bxf6 Bxf6 18. b5 axb5 19. axb5 Nd6 20. bxc6 bxc6 21.
>Nb4 Qd7 22. Na4 Nc4 23. Nc5 Qd6 24. Rb3 Rfb8 25. Nba6 Rb5 26. Rxb5 cxb5 27.
>Nb4 Bd8 28. g3 Bb6 29. Nbd3 Bxc5 30. dxc5 Qf6 31. Nb4 Rc8 32. c6 d4 33. exd4
>Qxd4 34. Rd1 Qe5 35. Qd3 Qe6 36. Qd5 Ne5 37. Rc1 Ng4 38. Qd4 Qe2 39. c7 h5 40.
>Nd5  1-0
>
>1.  Solution: 21.Nb4 - This move begins the attack on Black's weak backward pawn
>on a semi-open file.

my java chompster got Nb4 straight away, lost it at depth 9, and got it back at
depth 10 and onwards.

>
>Arasan 6.1 - 21.Rfc1
>CM9000 (default) - 21.Rb4
>Genius 7 - 21.Ra1
>Ruffian - 21.Nc5
>
>[D]r2q1rk1/5p1p/2pn1bp1/3p4/3P4/2NNP3/2Q2PPP/1R3RK1 w - - 0 21
>
>2.  Solution: 22.Na4 - Makes a forking threat on b6 and adds an attack on c6.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 22.Nd3
>*CM9000* (default) - 22.Na4
>*Genius 7* - 22.Na4
>Ruffian - 22.Nd3

chompster got this one straight away also.

>
>[D]r4rk1/3q1p1p/2pn1bp1/3p4/1N1P4/2N1P3/2Q2PPP/1R3RK1 w - - 0 22
>
>3.  Solution: 25.Nba6 - This knight to a6 threatens to take control of the
>b-file and ...Rb6 is obviously prevented.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 25.Rc1
>CM9000 (default) - 25.Rc1
>*Genius 7* - 25.Nba6
>Ruffian - 25.Rc1

3 out of 2 so far, not bad for chompster ....

>
>[D]rr4k1/5p1p/2pq1bp1/2Np4/1NnP4/1R2P3/2Q2PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 25
>
>4.  Solution: 26.Rxb5 - Splits the black pawns after the recapture.  In this way
>White exchanges one advantage (Black's backward pawn) for another (the split b-
>and d-pawns).  In addition, Black's d-pawn will become isolated.
>
>*Arasan 6.1* - 26.Rxb5
>CM9000 (default) - 26.Rfb1
>*Genius 7* - 26.Rxb5
>Ruffian - 26.Rfb1

4 out of 4, looking good for chompster, I am experimenting with huge positional
values, I think it is paying off in these positions.

>
>[D]r5k1/5p1p/N1pq1bp1/1rNp4/2nP4/1R2P3/2Q2PPP/5RK1 w - - 0 26
>
>5.  Solution:  31.Nb4 - An impressive multi-purpose move.  White now defends the
>square c6 to aid in the advance of the c-pawn.  Black has a passed pawn too, but
>for the moment its path is blocked and thus the b-pawn is not looking dangerous.
> 31.Nb4 also attacks the d5 pawn.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 31.Qe2
>*CM9000* (default) - 31.Nb4
>*Genius 7* - 31.Nb4
>*Ruffian* - 31.Nb4
>
I dont believe it 5 out of 5 ....


>[D]r5k1/5p1p/5qp1/1pPp4/2n5/3NP1P1/2Q2P1P/5RK1 w - - 0 31
>
>6.  Solution 37.Rc1 - If the queens are exchanged now, then the knight on d5
>assists in the pushing the pawn to the 7th rank.
>
>Arasan 6.1 - 37.c7
>CM9000 (default) - 37.Qxe6
>Genius 7 - 37.Qxe6
>Ruffian - 37.c7

5 out of 6 aint bad, chompster wanted to swaps queens immediately.
>
>[D]2r3k1/5p1p/2P1q1p1/1p1Qn3/1N6/6P1/5P1P/3R2K1 w - - 0 37

I enjoyed those positional tests, I'll dig up some I am using and post them

Scott (chompster)



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