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Subject: Re: Does this position blow up your program?

Author: Martin Giepmans

Date: 08:27:52 12/25/02

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On December 25, 2002 at 08:33:00, John Lowe wrote:

>On December 25, 2002 at 08:11:55, Martin Giepmans wrote:
>
>>On December 25, 2002 at 00:51:57, John Lowe wrote:
>>
>>>On December 24, 2002 at 18:11:51, Martin Giepmans wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 24, 2002 at 12:32:55, John Lowe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 23, 2002 at 15:37:07, Martin Giepmans wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 23, 2002 at 15:16:44, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[d]R6R/3Q4/1Q4Q1/4Q3/2Q4Q/Q4Q2/pp1Q4/kBNN1KB1 w - - 0 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So far , every Palm program and Chess Tiger have fatal errors with this
>>>>>>>position.  Supossedly, this is the largest number of  possible legal number of
>>>>>>>moves, 218, available from one position in chess.  If you can prove this wrong,
>>>>>>>you'll go down in History.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.rescon.de/Compu/schachzahl2_e.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Qd2xb2 mate!" says my program. 29 nodes calculated to find this brilliancy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It didn't blow up, the monitor didn't explode in my face, the AMD-processor
>>>>>>didn't implode, even my cigarette didn't catch fire ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I must say that I find this at least a little bit disappointing ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Martin,
>>>>>
>>>>>You can borrow my failure if you like.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!  Do you really want it back?
>>>>>
>>>>>How did you manage to calculate 29 nodes before you found a mate in one?
>>>>
>>>>I don't know if you grinned when you wrote that.
>>>>Do you mean that 29 is way too much for a mate in (only) one <grin>
>>>>or do you mean that 29 is not enough?
>>>>
>>>>Martin
>>>
>>>Of course I grinned. The whole position is a party game.
>>>
>>>I'm trying to imagine which order you would have to evaluate moves in to have 28
>>>misses before finding one of the mates.
>>>
>>29 nodes is the total number of nodes visited in the searchtree; even in
>>the first iteration this is usually (much) more than the number of moves
>>tried at the root. It probably did only a few moves at the root, found a
>>mate and stopped.
>>
>>>My program generates little piece moves first and would have stumbled over the
>>>knight mate - then it would(irrationally) have finished all the moves and
>>>selected its favourite mate - which is why it crashed.....
>>>
>>>
>>>Happy Christmas
>>
>>Happy Christmas too!
>
>DIY wants to know if it can be a Spider when it grows up.

I don't think so. A real spider is much smarter.
I always have a plastic spider with me when I play in tournaments.
Till now it scared one operator (who suffered from arachnaphobia)
but it didn't impress the engines at all.
I'll have to find a better strategy ;)

Martin




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