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Subject: Re: Does this position blow up your program?

Author: John Lowe

Date: 05:33:00 12/25/02

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On December 25, 2002 at 08:11:55, Martin Giepmans wrote:

>On December 25, 2002 at 00:51:57, John Lowe wrote:
>
>>On December 24, 2002 at 18:11:51, Martin Giepmans wrote:
>>
>>>On December 24, 2002 at 12:32:55, John Lowe wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 23, 2002 at 15:37:07, Martin Giepmans wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 23, 2002 at 15:16:44, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>[d]R6R/3Q4/1Q4Q1/4Q3/2Q4Q/Q4Q2/pp1Q4/kBNN1KB1 w - - 0 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So far , every Palm program and Chess Tiger have fatal errors with this
>>>>>>position.  Supossedly, this is the largest number of  possible legal number of
>>>>>>moves, 218, available from one position in chess.  If you can prove this wrong,
>>>>>>you'll go down in History.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.rescon.de/Compu/schachzahl2_e.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Qd2xb2 mate!" says my program. 29 nodes calculated to find this brilliancy.
>>>>>
>>>>>It didn't blow up, the monitor didn't explode in my face, the AMD-processor
>>>>>didn't implode, even my cigarette didn't catch fire ...
>>>>>
>>>>>I must say that I find this at least a little bit disappointing ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>Martin
>>>>
>>>>Hi Martin,
>>>>
>>>>You can borrow my failure if you like.
>>>
>>>Thanks!  Do you really want it back?
>>>>
>>>>How did you manage to calculate 29 nodes before you found a mate in one?
>>>
>>>I don't know if you grinned when you wrote that.
>>>Do you mean that 29 is way too much for a mate in (only) one <grin>
>>>or do you mean that 29 is not enough?
>>>
>>>Martin
>>
>>Of course I grinned. The whole position is a party game.
>>
>>I'm trying to imagine which order you would have to evaluate moves in to have 28
>>misses before finding one of the mates.
>>
>29 nodes is the total number of nodes visited in the searchtree; even in
>the first iteration this is usually (much) more than the number of moves
>tried at the root. It probably did only a few moves at the root, found a
>mate and stopped.
>
>>My program generates little piece moves first and would have stumbled over the
>>knight mate - then it would(irrationally) have finished all the moves and
>>selected its favourite mate - which is why it crashed.....
>>
>>
>>Happy Christmas
>
>Happy Christmas too!

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