Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: I must say i disagree! No opening's.... itsNOT chess!

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 01:03:58 12/30/02

Go up one level in this thread


On December 30, 2002 at 00:18:30, robert flesher wrote:

>To denude a program  of it's opening book and play fischer random ,shuffle, or
>whatever... will serve only to accomplish that we no long have chess. By this i
>mean that opening preparation plays a very critical role and engines are even
>tuned to understand specific chess positions. Take away Kasparov's opening
>knowledge and he would never have become World Champion. FACT! is Kasparov still
>very good at position judgment??....yes.....is he still good at
>tactic's??....yes. Think of the last time you were on a chess server and lost to
>someone who was considerably lower rated than you....OK tell me you have never
>lost because someone nailed you in your favourite opening because they received
>the lastest informant or NCO,MCO,ECO before you(and they did homework :). In the
>end the opening is as important and the middlegame, or endgame. IMHO ...Cheers~

If you want to know _true_ engine power, you need to turn off the books,
thinking on opponents time etc.

Alan Tomalty (Computer Chess Expert of Komputer Korner) presented this idea back
in 1987!

He suggested that "thinking" on opponants time to be disabled also.

The problem I see is, that these games need to be operated manually, due to the
absence of books, to avoid repeated positions.

The SSDF doesn't have the luxury of testing engines this way, too time
consuming.

The idea certainly has merit, but it boils down to how much time you lose in
such testing, as it can't be done by auto-play.

Yes the opening is a vital aspect of chess, and chess can't be complete without
it, but this kind of testing is to rate engine strength in the middlegame,
mostly and endgame, without EGTB's.

Terry



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.