Author: Uri Blass
Date: 01:17:27 12/30/02
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On December 30, 2002 at 04:03:58, Terry McCracken wrote: >On December 30, 2002 at 00:18:30, robert flesher wrote: > >>To denude a program of it's opening book and play fischer random ,shuffle, or >>whatever... will serve only to accomplish that we no long have chess. By this i >>mean that opening preparation plays a very critical role and engines are even >>tuned to understand specific chess positions. Take away Kasparov's opening >>knowledge and he would never have become World Champion. FACT! is Kasparov still >>very good at position judgment??....yes.....is he still good at >>tactic's??....yes. Think of the last time you were on a chess server and lost to >>someone who was considerably lower rated than you....OK tell me you have never >>lost because someone nailed you in your favourite opening because they received >>the lastest informant or NCO,MCO,ECO before you(and they did homework :). In the >>end the opening is as important and the middlegame, or endgame. IMHO ...Cheers~ > >If you want to know _true_ engine power, you need to turn off the books, >thinking on opponents time etc. > >Alan Tomalty (Computer Chess Expert of Komputer Korner) presented this idea back >in 1987! > >He suggested that "thinking" on opponants time to be disabled also. > >The problem I see is, that these games need to be operated manually, due to the >absence of books, to avoid repeated positions. > >The SSDF doesn't have the luxury of testing engines this way, too time >consuming. > >The idea certainly has merit, but it boils down to how much time you lose in >such testing, as it can't be done by auto-play. > >Yes the opening is a vital aspect of chess, and chess can't be complete without >it, but this kind of testing is to rate engine strength in the middlegame, >mostly and endgame, without EGTB's. > >Terry endgame without tablebases? I think that it is ridicilious when some authors simply removed knowledge after adding tablebases. I read that nimzo cannot mate in KQ vs K positions without tablebases(these problem is new and nimzo could mate before the programmer added tablebases). Uri
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