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Subject: Re: Highest Incorrect Score?

Author: Mike Hood

Date: 04:47:05 01/13/03

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On January 13, 2003 at 00:27:28, Drexel,Michael wrote:

>On January 12, 2003 at 21:18:25, Mike Hood wrote:
>
>>A question out of morbid curiosity: what's the highest incorrect score that
>>anyone has seen a top chess program award? ie, what's the highest winning score
>>that a chess program gives itself, blind to the fact that it must unavoidably
>>lose?
>>
>>The highest score I have seen is Fritz 8 in the recently posted "Georgian
>>Peasant" game.
>>
>>[D] 8/3P3k/n2K3p/2p3n1/1b4N1/2p1p1P1/8/3B4 w
>>
>>1. Nf6+ Kg7 2. Nh5+ Kg6 3. Bc2+ Kxh5 4. d8=Q Nf7+ 5. Ke6 Nxd8+ 6. Kf5 e2 7. Be4
>>e1=N 8. Bd5 c2 9. Bc4 c1=N 10. Bb5 Nc6 11. Bxc6 Nc7 12. Ba4 Nc2 13. Bxc2 Ne2
>>14. Bd1 Nd5 15. Bxe2# 1-0
>>
>>After 3. Bc2+, Fritz 8's winning score for Black soars ever higher:
>>
>>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>>
>>3...Kxh5 4.Bd1+ Kg6 5.Kc6 Nb8+ 6.Kd6 Nxd7 7.Kxd7 Kf5
>>  -+  (-7.56)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:00  71kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-7.84)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:00  182kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-8.13)   Depth: 9/30   00:00:01  470kN
>>3...Kxh5--
>>  -+  (-7.84)   Depth: 10/23   00:00:01  489kN
>>3...Kxh5 4.Bd1+ Kg6
>>  -+  (-7.84)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:01  678kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-8.13)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:03  1375kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-8.41)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:08  3525kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-8.69)   Depth: 13/38   00:00:22  9391kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-8.97)   Depth: 13/40   00:00:34  14045kN
>>3...Kxh5 4.Bd1+ Kg6 5.Kd5 Nf7 6.Kc4 Ne5+ 7.Kb3 Nxd7 8.Be2 Nc7 9.Kc2 Kf6
>>  -+  (-9.16)   Depth: 13/40   00:00:45  18913kN
>>3...Kxh5 4.Bd1+ Kg6 5.Kd5 Nf7 6.Kc4 Ne5+ 7.Kb3 Nxd7 8.Kc2 Ne5 9.Be2 Nc7 10.Kd1
>>Kf5 11.Kc2
>>  -+  (-9.34)   Depth: 14/40   00:01:27  34783kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-9.63)   Depth: 15/44   00:03:03  72060kN
>>3...Kxh5 4.Bd1+ Kg6 5.Kd5 Nf7 6.Kc4 Ne5+ 7.Kb3 Nxd7 8.Kc2 Ne5 9.Be2 c4 10.Bf1
>>Nc5 11.Be2 Nd3
>>  -+  (-9.78)   Depth: 16/46   00:06:14  149982kN
>>3...Kxh5!
>>  -+  (-10.06)   Depth: 17/47   00:15:11  372788kN
>>
>>It's not a matter of Fritz choosing the wrong move for Black. Kxh5 is correct,
>>but Fritz doesn't expect White to play d8Q!
>>
>>I'm not just knocking Fritz. None of the chess programs in my possession do any
>>better. I even tried setting Fritz's selectivity parameter to zero, to prevent
>>null move generation, but found no improvement. So, does anyone have any other
>>position that the current top programs totally misjudge?
>
>[D] kbn1nBRQ/4P1PQ/4P1PQ/6PB/6P1/8/8/7K w - - 0 6
>
>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>
>6.Kg1 Ba7+ 7.Kh2 Nb6 8.Kh1 Nc4 9.Kg2 Ne3+ 10.Kh1
>  +-  (34.22)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  3kN
>6.Kg1 Ba7+ 7.Kh2 Nb6 8.Kg2 Nd5 9.Kg3 Ndc7 10.Kh2 Nxe6
>  +-  (34.06)   Depth: 8/17   00:00:00  6kN
>6.Kg1 Ba7+ 7.Kh2 Nb6 8.Kg2 Nd5 9.Kh1 Bb8
>  +-  (33.88)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:00  13kN
>6.Kg1 Ba7+ 7.Kh2 Nb6 8.Kg2 Nd5 9.Kh1
>  +-  (33.88)   Depth: 10/22   00:00:00  24kN
>6.Kg1--
>  +-  (33.31)   Depth: 11/11   00:00:00  24kN
>6.Kg1 Ba7+ 7.Kh2
>  +-  (33.31)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:00  56kN
>6.Kg2!
>  +-  (33.34)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:00  75kN
>6.Kg2 Nb6 7.Kf3 Nd5 8.Ke2 Nf4+ 9.Kf2 Ba7+ 10.Kf3 Bb8 11.Ke4
>  +-  (33.25)   Depth: 12/26   00:00:00  213kN
>6.Kg2 Nb6 7.Kf3 Nd5 8.Ke2 Bf4 9.Kf2 Kb7 10.Kf1 Kb8 11.Kf2 Ndf6 12.gxf6
>  +-  (33.13)   Depth: 13/28   00:00:00  410kN
>6.Kg2 Nb6 7.Kf3 Nd5 8.Ke2 Bf4 9.Kf2 Kb8 10.Kg2 Ka8 11.Kf1 Ndf6 12.gxf6
>  +-  (32.97)   Depth: 14/29   00:00:00  612kN
>6.Kg2 Nb6 7.Kf3 Nd5 8.Ke2 Bf4 9.Kf2 Kb8 10.Kf3 Kc8 11.Ke2 Kb8
>  +-  (32.84)   Depth: 15/30   00:00:01  1041kN
>6.Kg2--
>  +-  (32.56)   Depth: 16/30   00:00:01  1412kN
>6.Kg2 Nb6 7.Kf3 Nd5
>  +-  (32.56)   Depth: 16/30   00:00:02  1653kN
>6.Kg2--
>  +-  (32.28)   Depth: 17/32   00:00:02  2074kN
>6.Kg2 Nb6 7.Kf3 Nd5
>  +-  (32.28)   Depth: 17/32   00:00:03  2966kN
>6.Kg2--
>  +-  (32.00)   Depth: 18/32   00:00:04  3308kN
>6.Kg2 Bf4 7.Kf3 Bc1 8.Kg3 Ncd6 9.Kf2 Ne4+ 10.Kf3 Nc5 11.Kg3 Nxe6 12.Kh2 Bxg5
>13.Kg2 Nf4+ 14.Kh1 Bxh6
>  +-  (28.53)   Depth: 18/50   00:00:12  10755kN
>6.Kg2 Bf4 7.Kf3 Bc1 8.Kg3 Ncd6 9.Kf2 Ne4+ 10.Kf3 Nc5 11.Kg3 Nxe6 12.Kh2 Bxg5
>13.Kg2 Nf4+ 14.Kh1 Bxh6
>  +-  (28.53)   Depth: 19/36   00:00:15  13607kN
>6.Kg2 Bf4 7.Kf3 Bc1 8.Kg3 Ncd6 9.Kf2 Ne4+ 10.Kf3 Nc5 11.Kg3 Nxe6 12.Kh2 Bxg5
>13.Kg2 Kb7 14.Qxg5 Nxg5 15.Qh6 Ne4
>  +-  (28.53)   Depth: 20/36   00:00:20  18279kN
>6.Kg2 Bf4 7.Kf3 Bc1 8.Kg3 Ncd6 9.Kf2 Ne4+ 10.Kf3 Nc5 11.Kg3 Nxe6 12.Kh2 Bf4+
>13.Kg1 Nxg5 14.Kg2 Ka7 15.Kh1 Nh3
>  +-  (28.38)   Depth: 21/42   00:00:34  30397kN
>6.Kg2 Bf4 7.Kf3 Bc1 8.Kg3 Ncd6 9.Kf2 Ne4+ 10.Kf3 Nc5 11.Kg3 Nxe6 12.Kh2 Bf4+
>13.Kg1 Nxg5 14.Kg2 Ka7 15.Kh1 Ne6
>  +-  (28.38)   Depth: 22/44   00:00:51  46491kN
>6.Kg2 Bf4 7.Kf3 Bc1 8.Kg3 Ncd6 9.Kf2 Ne4+ 10.Kf3 Nc5 11.Kg3 Nxe6 12.Kh2 Bf4+
>13.Kg1 Nxg5 14.Kg2 Ka7 15.Kh1 Ne6
>  +-  (28.38)   Depth: 23/46   00:01:22  78628kN
>6.Kg2 Bf4 7.Kf3 Bc1 8.Kg3 Ncd6 9.Kf2 Ne4+ 10.Kf3 Nc5 11.Kg3 Nxe6 12.Kh2 Bf4+
>13.Kg1 Nxg5 14.Kg2 Ka7 15.Kh1 Ka8
>  +-  (28.38)   Depth: 24/47   00:02:31  147989kN

Thanks, Michael, although judging by the line Fritz is expecting, it could be a
matter of horizon effect that will be solved by a deep enough search. I suspect
that if I let Fritz run for a few hours the evaluation will slowly get smaller.
I "only" have a Pentium 3-733, but I'll let it run until this evening.



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