Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 14:37:20 01/27/03
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On January 27, 2003 at 17:30:26, Sune Fischer wrote: >On January 27, 2003 at 17:11:40, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>>The point is to stop the game, and not play against table bases, which is not >>>interesting. >>>Either Kasparov would draw the table bases or he would lose to the table bases, >>>either way it is not interesting as we already know he is not perfect and cannot >>>(maybe not) hold a draw in for instance a KRNKRR endgame. >>> >>>On the other hand it would also be wrong to claim that Junior won that endgame >>>simply because it read from a table base (table bases won, not Junior), so the >>>game is void at that moment. >> >> >>Not really. Junior has to successfully steer the game to the won ending...just >>like humans do all the time! There is no difference, correct? > >You are mixing things up now. If Junior can get to a won endgame then it won't >be declared draw, of course Junior wins. I was responding to "Junior won that endgame simply because it read from a table base", so I'm not mixed up. :) Junior sees the EGTB endgame in leaves of the search tree and plays the moves to get there. It is Junior's win, not the EGTB, just like a GM steers the game toward a known won endgame. Can you see it now? Regards, Matt > >>If the GM is ignorant where the EGTBs are not, then we want to see that. No one >>complained of unfairness when progs were weak at endgames (and many still are!). >> There is no fairness problem here that I can see. Pre-calculated tables are >>part of chess programs. It saves CPU cycles. >> >>:) >>Matt > >Okay, we have a different opinion here, I think it is ridiculous to play against >the tables, sort of like racing the speed of light, you can only lose. >I don't care if Garry can play these random moves correctly, it says nothing >about him as a chessplayer, only that he can't remember random data as well as a >computer but we already know that. > >-S.
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