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Subject: Re: Deep Junior is better even if it is slower than Deeper Blue !

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 14:30:26 01/27/03

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On January 27, 2003 at 17:11:40, Matthew Hull wrote:

>>The point is to stop the game, and not play against table bases, which is not
>>interesting.
>>Either Kasparov would draw the table bases or he would lose to the table bases,
>>either way it is not interesting as we already know he is not perfect and cannot
>>(maybe not) hold a draw in for instance a KRNKRR endgame.
>>
>>On the other hand it would also be wrong to claim that Junior won that endgame
>>simply because it read from a table base (table bases won, not Junior), so the
>>game is void at that moment.
>
>
>Not really.  Junior has to successfully steer the game to the won ending...just
>like humans do all the time!  There is no difference, correct?

You are mixing things up now. If Junior can get to a won endgame then it won't
be declared draw, of course Junior wins.

>If the GM is ignorant where the EGTBs are not, then we want to see that.  No one
>complained of unfairness when progs were weak at endgames (and many still are!).
> There is no fairness problem here that I can see.  Pre-calculated tables are
>part of chess programs.  It saves CPU cycles.
>
>:)
>Matt

Okay, we have a different opinion here, I think it is ridiculous to play against
the tables, sort of like racing the speed of light, you can only lose.
I don't care if Garry can play these random moves correctly, it says nothing
about him as a chessplayer, only that he can't remember random data as well as a
computer but we already know that.

-S.



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