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Subject: Re: In 10 years man will not be able to defeat computers. WHAT??!

Author: James T. Walker

Date: 10:38:48 01/28/03

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On January 28, 2003 at 10:26:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On January 28, 2003 at 00:59:21, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2003 at 22:57:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On January 27, 2003 at 19:22:19, andrew tanner wrote:
>>>
>>>>    There seems to be no basis for this belief other than DEEP BLUE and it's
>>>>legacy, which is a legacy of "the sky is falling" type of despair. If computers
>>>>continue to improve tactically, then GM's will learn from them and also improve
>>>>tactically. Man has always improved in everything he does. Accelerated rates of
>>>>improvement for chess computers with faster hardware or knowldege doesn't
>>>>automatically translate into wins against strong GM's. Bring it on.
>>>>
>>>>    -A.T.
>>>
>>>
>>>1970:  in 10 years computers will be world champion (note this also
>>>happened in the 1950's and 60's).  Others said "will not".  "will too."
>>>"I'll bet xxx they won't."  And 10 years later the same argument still
>>>rages.
>>>
>>>1980:  In 10 years computers will be unbeatable.  Will not.  Will too.
>>>
>>>It will probably _always_ be "another ten years".  Reminds me of the Tom Hanks
>>>Movie "The Money Pit."  "How long until my house is fixed?"  "two more weeks".
>>>Week after week...
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>Well, eventually it will happen, it's only a "matter of time", Bob;-)
>
>
>Yes, but I'm not sure I like the "time".  When I walked into my first calculus
>course as a college freshman in 1966, the professor asked "If you stand 4 feet
>from the wall, and step 1/2 the way to the wall, and then step 1/2 way again,
>will you _ever_ reach the wall?"  Of course, most said "no" and we dove into
>limit theory that proves that if you have "enough time" you will eventually get
>there, as the limit of 1/2^n is zero as n reaches infinity.

The problem with that theory is that 1/2^n has about as much chance of reaching
zero as n has of reaching infinity.  I see neither one as practical but then I'm
not an educated man.  But I'm sure nobody in your calculus class will live long
enough to reach the wall.
Jim

>
>I hope that is not the target we have with computers and GM players.  :)




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