Author: Larry S. Tamarkin
Date: 13:04:29 10/14/98
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Hey, I know Jon Schroer! Here are some notes on his style and play as I remember it. Jon once told me he did not believe in chess style, only in good moves... 1. Plays predominately 1.d4 with white. I remember he knew a lot about the Samisch and Gruenfeld. Plays the King's Indian as Black. 2. Has a very well founded positional 'style' - builds up his positional dominance very throughly before going in for the kill. Often manages to exploite 'holes' on f5 and plant a Knight there. 3. Writes his moves on the scoresheet with tremendous princision & neatness (although he doesn't draw little pictures of the pieces), unlike one of his early trainer's, Anotoly Lein. 4. Can play blindfold chess, but ocassionally misses a piece here or there. (I caught him out once in a 24 hour diner - I had sight of the board & was totally busted when he left his K hanging!) 5. Likes the 'Doors' & 'Led Zep' if I remember correctly. 6. Player comrades, included (in 1980's), Tony Renna, Charles Hertan & John (Metalhead) Kennedy. Below are some example games againsnt me... (258) Tamarkin - Schroer [A10] NY?,, 1982 1.c4 g6 2.g3 Bg7 3.Bg2 e5 4.d3 Ne7 5.Nc3 0–0 6.e3 c6 7.Nge2 d5 8.0–0 d4 9.exd4 exd4 10.Na4 Nd7 11.Rb1 Ne5 12.b4 Bf5 13.Nb2 b5 14.cxb5 cxb5 15.Bg5 f6 16.Qb3+ Kh8 17.Bd2 Rc8 18.Rbc1 Qd7 19.Rc5 Bh3 20.Nf4 Bxg2 21.Kxg2 Rxc5 22.bxc5 Rc8 23.Ne6 g5 24.Nxg7 Kxg7 25.h3 h5 26.Bb4 g4 27.hxg4 hxg4 28.Rh1 Qb7+ 29.Kg1 Nf3+ 30.Kf1 Nd2+ 31.Bxd2 Qxh1+ 32.Ke2 Qf3+ 33.Ke1 Rb8 0–1 (581) Schroer - Tamarkin [E21] NY January Open,, 1986 1/12 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 Bb4+ 4.Nc3 b6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 g5 7.Bg3 Ne4 8.Qc2 f5 9.e3 Bb7 10.Bd3 0–0 [10...Bxc3+ 11.bxc3 d6 is probably a better sequence, if then - 12.d5 Nc5 13.Nd4 0–0 14.dxe6 Nxd3+ 15.Qxd3 Qf6 - looks OK for Black. (L.T.)] 11.0–0 Bxc3 12.bxc3 d6 13.d5 Nc5 14.Nd4 Qf6 15.f4 g4 16.e4 fxe4 17.Bxe4 exd5 18.cxd5 Re8 19.Bg6 Rf8 20.Nf5 Kh8 21.Ne3 Kg7 22.f5 Nbd7 23.Nxg4 Qg5 24.h3 Bxd5 25.Bf4 Be4 26.Qd2 Qh4 27.Bxh6+ Kg8 28.Bxf8 Rxf8 29.Rae1 Nf6 30.Nxf6+ Rxf6 31.Rf4 1–0 (582) Schroer - Tamarkin [E21] NY January Open,, 1986 1/12 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.c4 Bb4+ 4.Nc3 b6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 g5 7.Bg3 Ne4 8.Qc2 f5 9.e3 Bb7 10.Bd3 0–0 [10...Bxc3+ 11.bxc3 d6 is probably a better sequence, if then - 12.d5 Nc5 13.Nd4 0–0 14.dxe6 Nxd3+ 15.Qxd3 Qf6 - looks OK for Black. (L.T.)] 11.0–0 Bxc3 12.bxc3 d6 13.d5 Nc5 14.Nd4 Qf6 15.f4 g4 16.e4 fxe4 17.Bxe4 exd5 18.cxd5 Re8 19.Bg6 Rf8 20.Nf5 Kh8 21.Ne3 Kg7 22.f5 Nbd7 23.Nxg4 Qg5 24.h3 Bxd5 25.Bf4 Be4 26.Qd2 Qh4 27.Bxh6+ Kg8 28.Bxf8 Rxf8 29.Rae1 Nf6 30.Nxf6+ Rxf6 31.Rf4 1–0 (585) Schroer - Tamarkin [A57] NY?, 1986 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cxb5 a6 5.e3 Bb7 6.Nc3 axb5 7.Bxb5 Qa5 8.Bd2 Qb6 9.Qb3 e6 10.e4 Nxe4 11.Nxe4 Bxd5 12.Qd3 f5 [12...Qb7!? 13.f3 c4! 14.Bxc4 Bxc4 15.Qxc4 (15.Nd6+ Nickoloff. 15...Bxd6 16.Qxd6 Qd5 17.Qxd5 Bxd5 18.a4 Nc6 19.Ne2 Ke7³ Wolff.) 15...d5 16.Qc2 dxe4 17.Rc1 Nd7 18.Qxe4 Qxe4+ 19.fxe4 Nc5 20.Ke2 Rxa2 (20...Nxe4 21.Nf3 Nxd2 22.Nxd2 Bd6=) 21.Nf3 Rxb2 22.Rc4! (22.Ra1 Be7 23.Ra8+ Bd8 24.Rc1 Nxe4 25.Rcc8 Ke7 26.Kd3 Nxd2 27.Nxd2 Kd7 28.Nc4 Rb5!–+ Wolff.) 22...Be7 23.Ra1 0–0 24.Ra7 Bd6 25.e5 Bb8 26.Re7 Nb3 27.Rb4 Nc1+? Not the best according to Wolff. - see line. (27...Bxe5 28.Nxe5 Rxd2+ 29.Ke3 Rxg2 30.Rxb3 Rxh2=; 27...Nxd2 28.Rxb2 Nxf3 29.Kxf3 Bxe5 30.Rb1!³) 28.Ke3 Rxb4 29.Bxb4 Rc8 30.Bd6 Nb3 31.Rb7 Bxd6 32.exd6± Litvinchuk-Wolff, US Junior Ch, NY, 1985.] 13.Ng3 [13.Ng5? Bxg2 14.Qe2 Bxh1 15.f3 Ra6 16.a4 Be7 17.N1h3 h6 18.a5 Qb7 19.Nxe6 Rxe6 20.Qxe6 Qxb5 21.Qe2 Qxb2 22.Rd1 Nc6 23.Kf2 Qd4+ 24.Be3 Qh4+ 25.Kg1 Qxh3 26.Kxh1 Nxa5 27.Bxc5 Nc6 28.Bxe7 Nxe7 29.Rg1 Kf7 30.Rxg7+ Kxg7 0–1 Benjamin-Alburt, US Ch, 1984.] 13...Bxg2 14.a4 Bxh1 15.Nxh1 Be7 16.Ne2 0–0 17.Nf4 [17.Bc3 d5 18.Nhg3 Nc6 19.Qe3 e5 (¹19...Nd8!?) 20.Bxe5 Bg5 21.f4 Rae8 22.Bxc6 Qxc6 23.Rc1 Be7 24.b4 Bd6 25.Rxc5 Bxc5 26.Qxc5+- Qxa4 27.Qxd5+ Kh8 28.Qd4 Rf7 29.Kf2 Qd7 30.Qxd7 Rxd7 31.Nxf5 Rb7 32.Nd6 Reb8 33.Nxb7 Rxb7 34.Bc3 Kg8 35.Nd4 Kf7 36.b5 Ke7 37.Bb4+ Kd7 38.Ke3 Rb8 39.Kd3 g6 40.Bc5 Ra8 41.b6 Kc8 42.Kc4 Kb7 43.Kb5 Ra2 44.Ne6 Rb2+ 45.Bb4 Kc8 46.Nc5 1–0 Plaskett-Barlov, Bor 1985.] 17...Ra7 18.Ng3 Nc6 19.Nge2 Ne5 20.Qc3 Ng4 21.Nh5 Rf7 22.0–0–0 g6 23.f3 gxh5 24.fxg4 Bf6 25.Qc2 hxg4 26.Be3 Rc7 27.Bf4 d5 28.Bxc7 Qxc7 29.Ng3 Bg5+ 30.Kb1 c4 31.Qe2 c3 32.Qc2 Bf6 33.bxc3 Qxc3 34.Qxc3 Bxc3 35.Rc1 Rc7 36.Ne2 Be5 37.Rxc7 Bxc7 38.Bd7 Kf7 39.Nd4 Bxh2 40.Bxe6+ Kf6 41.Bxf5 h5 42.Bc8 Bg1 43.Ne2 Be3 44.Kc2 Kg5 45.Nc3 h4?! 45...d4!? looks better. 46.Nxd5 Ba7!? [46...Ba7 47.a5 h3 48.Nc7 Kh4 49.Nb5 g3 50.Bxh3 Kxh3 51.Nc3=] 47.Kd3 h3 48.Ne3 h2 49.Bb7 Kf4 50.Nc4 g3 51.a5 Kf5 52.a6 Ke6 53.Na3 Kf5 54.Ke2 Kg4 55.Kf1 Kf4 56.Kg2 Bc5 57.Nb5 Bb6 58.a7 Bxa7 59.Nxa7 Kg4 60.Nb5 Kf4 61.Nc3 Kg4 62.Ne2 Kf5 63.Nxg3+ Ke5 64.Nh1 Kf4 65.Ba8 Ke5 66.Bc6 Kd6 67.Ba4 Ke5 68.Bd1 Kd4 69.Bh5 Ke5 70.Be8 Kd4 71.Bf7 Ke5 72.Bg8 Kd4 73.Ba2 Ke5 74.Bb1 Kd4 75.Bh7 Ke5 76.Bc2 Kd4 77.Bb3 Ke5 78.Bc4 Kd4 79.Bf1 Ke5 80.Ba6 Kd4 81.Be2 Ke5 82.Bb5 Kf6 83.Kg3 Ke5 84.Ba6 Kd4 85.Bc8 Ke5 86.Bb7 Kd6 87.Bg2 Ke5 88.Ba8 Kd4 89.Bf3 Ke5 90.Be2 Kd4 91.Bf1 Ke5 92.Bh3 Kd4 93.Bd7 Ke5 94.Be8 Kd4 95.Ba4 Ke5 96.Bd1 Kd4 97.Ba4 Ke5 98.Bc2 Kd4 99.Bh7 Ke5 100.Bb1 Kd4 101.Ba2 Ke5 102.Bg8 Kd4 103.Kh3 Kc5 104.Kg3 Kd4 105.Ba2 Kc5 ½–½ (795) Schroer (2450) - Tamarkin (2220) [D20] MCC Insanity, Rd, 1993 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 5.Bxc4 e6 [5...Nb6! 6.Bb3 Nc6 7.Ne2 Bf5 8.Nbc3 e6 9.Be3²] 6.Nf3 Bb4+ [6...Be7 7.0–0 0–0 8.Nbd2 (8.Nc3 b6 9.Qe2 Nxc3 10.bxc3 Bb7 11.Rd1 c5!?÷) 8...b6 9.Qe2 Bb7 10.Ne4 Nd7 11.Bd3] 7.Bd2 Be7 8.0–0 0–0 9.Nc3 b6?! [9...c5 10.dxc5 Nxc3 11.Bxc3 Bxc5 12.Qe2 Qe7 13.Rfd1 Nd7 14.Rac1 Rd8=] 10.Nxd5 exd5 11.Bd3 Ba6 [11...c5 12.Qc2 h6 13.Rfe1±] 12.Bxa6 Nxa6 13.Qa4 Qc8 14.Qc6 Rd8 15.Rac1 Rb8 16.Rfe1 Nb4? [16...Rb7 17.e6 fxe6 18.Qxe6+ Qxe6 19.Rxe6 c5 20.h3 Bf6 21.Bc3 Kf7 22.Rce1 h6 23.dxc5 Bxc3 24.bxc3 Nxc5 25.R6e3=] 17.Qxc7 Qe6 18.Bxb4 Bxb4 19.Red1 Rbc8 20.Qb7 Rb8 21.Qc6 Qf5 22.a3 Bf8 23.Qc2 Qh5 24.Qc7 Ra8 25.h3 g5 26.Rd3 g4 27.hxg4 Qxg4 28.Qc2 Bh6 29.Rcd1 Rac8 30.Qa4 Rc7 31.Nh2 Qf5 32.Qb3 Rc4 33.Rh3 Rc2 34.Rf1 Bg5 35.Rd3 Rc4 36.Rh3 Bd2 37.Nf3 Bf4 38.Nh4 Qe4 39.Nf3 Kh8 40.g3 Rg8 41.Kg2 Qf5 42.Rfh1 Rg7 43.R1h2 f6?! 44.Qb5 Qe6? [44...fxe5 45.Qe8+ Rg8 46.Qe7+- (46.Rxh7+ Qxh7 47.Rxh7+ Kxh7 48.Qf7+ Rg7 49.Qxd5+-) ] 45.exf6 1–0 Jon won this 13 round marathon. I finnished clear 2nd. I used to be a reasonably strong master. As can be seen, Schroer dominated most of these games. I would certainly be willing to put $10 dollars into the pot to see such a match take place. A player like Jon Schroer is extremely unlikely to use 'Anti Computer' play, at least at the biginning of the game. Its almost cetain that with his training and 'style', he would try to play what he thought were the 'objectively' best moves against the program, as he has in the past indicated to me that was the way to achieve the best results in your game. I think that Jon also wants to see how strong these programs are against him, trying his best. Can Steve & ICD set up a way for us to donate electronically to see such matches come about? mrslug - the inkompetent chess software addict! On October 14, 1998 at 11:34:38, Mark Young wrote: >On October 14, 1998 at 07:30:53, odell hall wrote: > >> >> If anyone is interested I.M. Jonathan Schroer expressed a desire to play a >>match at 40/2hrs against any program. He told me he would be glad to take on any >>computer. I asked him if he thought that he could defeat rebel, his answer was >>that he doesn't know!. I also asked how much he would charge for such a match , >>on this he was also unsure. I got the impression however that he would not >>charge much. He stated that The match would be very interesting. I realize that >>most programmers are looking for grandmaster scalps but I think defeating a >>international master in a match is more or less verifying that a program is >>possible grandmaster strength, so please someone approach him!!! I might add >>that I spoke with him on ICC and do not know the man personally. > >I think people offered to chip in some money to watch Ferret play that GM a >month or so ago that fell through. Maybe they would chip in some money to watch >Ferret play an IM. I for one would rather see a Computer Vs Grandmaster match. >Its pretty clear from Aegon and the Hiarcs match that microcomputer programs can >play and win against IM's on P 200 computers. I thinks its time to step up, but >you have to take what you can get when playing titled players.
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