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Subject: Re: Junior 8 doesn't see this simple mate

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 13:42:04 08/21/03

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On August 21, 2003 at 16:02:35, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On August 21, 2003 at 14:48:55, Sune Fischer wrote:
>
>>On August 21, 2003 at 14:35:25, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>
>>>>>"Assumption is the mother of all f**k-ups" :)
>>>>
>>>>Then you can disable nullmove as well, that f**k ups as well some times.
>>>
>>>I use verified null-move pruning, it doesn't f**k-up :)
>>
>>Then it comes at a cost.
>
>Yes, the "cost" is a smaller tree in comparison to standard null-move. May God
>bless these "costs"!

I can produce a 1 node tree, but does it play better? :)

>>You can't make a strong program without doing certain assumptions.
>
>I did say that Junior probably gains considerably by this assumption. My
>objection is a matter of principle: given enough time a program should play
>correctly in any (practical) position.

I think the competition is rather fierce at the top, so their decision is
understandable if the choice is between gaining X Elo in real games, or solving
artificial test positions.

Real games weigh more than silly test positions, IMO, although ideally we'd all
like to do everything :)

-S.



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