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Author: Reynolds Takata

Date: 11:27:38 11/10/98

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On November 10, 1998 at 14:19:04, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote:

>On November 10, 1998 at 10:29:12, Reynolds Takata wrote:
>
>>On November 10, 1998 at 03:47:08, odell hall wrote:
>>  No offense but i'm seriously doubting that those words have echoed in your
>>ears, because Kasparov to my recollection said "if deepblue were to start
>>playing TOURNAMENT chess, I personaly guarantee I will tear it to shreds".
>>Would Kasparov tear it to shreds?  Well who knows that's only conjecture.
>>However, just as Kasparov may be drawing too big of conclusions from the
>>match,you are as well.  Especially considering the short nature of the match.
>>Heck if Jan Timman had beaten Kasparov ina match or even Judit Polgar had beaten
>>Polgar in a match, nobody and i mean nobody, would be claiming that either of
>>those players were better than Kasparov.  Another thing is that you are
>>overlooking the POSSIBILITY of LUCK.  I say this, because as a master i know
>>that there is luck.  An example, though i am only an average master, in the game
>>that Kasparov resigned that was a draw.   I saw the draw almost instantaneously,
>>maybe a minute to check to make sure of it is all.  As for everyone not seeing
>>the move that's not true.  In fact many players believed there was something.  I
>>wont forget I.M. Ashleys shock when it happened he says at the moment something
>>to the effect "What? Kasparov is resigning?"  In a very shocked voice.  At that
>>point many people just stopped examining the position.  Further, 2 more of the
>>games Kasparov was had winning positions(and blew) that most average GM's would
>>have won, and also He was playing totally uncharacteristically falling for a
>>cheap shot in the carokann.  If he played anything like that previously he would
>>have never become world champion.  An example KK recently told you to put Hiarcs
>>on "Aggressive style" as opposed to the default style. One of the styles is
>>better or worse, and if it played a match with the worse style(possibly a worse
>>book), you wouldn't say it reflected on the program, but rather on the settings.
>> Kasparov played in a totally uncharacteristic style, and further played bad
>>openings and still almost won the match(the score was very close)!  And as for
>>you mentioning deep blues flexibility, well i like computer chess too, but don't
>>be fooled into thinking deep blue is a flexible as Kasparov.  Top players, and
>>Top computer experts almost all if they had to bet money would give kasparov an
>>edge in another match ESPECIALLY if it was a longer match.  Why do i say 6 games
>>isn't enough?  Well for one, NO world championship match has ever been that
>>short!  The reason that 6 games neither in the past or the present would have
>>convinced anyone that a human player was the stronger than the current world
>>champion of the time.  So why would you all of a sudden make a claim that Deep
>>Blue is stronger based on 6 games?  Answer just as some people are biased
>>towards humans you are obviously biased for computers.  By this reasoning Anand
>>should have been considered better than Kasparov after the first 9 GAMES of
>>their world championship because Anand was in the lead!  No one would make such
>>a claim, because to have done so simply based on the 9 games would have been
>>close to ridiculous.
>
>Hi, I don't think if a person was to imply this it would be close to ridiculous.
>   If im playing a person and after 9 games there up with me or slightly ahead
>of me, I am under the impression that they're going to give me a run for my
>money, and to do this they couldn't be that far from your strength,and turn the
>situation around if I was winning someone after nine games I'd know I wasn't
>inferior to this person and I'd know for certain i could give him some good
>matches! Wouldn't you?
>or I may even lose!


What i said is that it would be ridiculous for anyone to assume that after 9
games because Anand was ahead by 1 game to say that it was the superior player.
 I didn't say anything about denying that he was close in strength.  Nor did i
imply for or against the proposition that deep blue is close in strength to
Kasparov.  What i said was that it is ridiculous for people to claim that deep
blue is the superior player over Kasparov based upon only six games(especially
those games).  A claim that has been made far, far too many times.



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