Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 14:21:55 11/10/98
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On November 10, 1998 at 14:27:38, Reynolds Takata wrote: >On November 10, 1998 at 14:19:04, Lanny DiBartolomeo wrote: > >>On November 10, 1998 at 10:29:12, Reynolds Takata wrote: >> >>>On November 10, 1998 at 03:47:08, odell hall wrote: >>> No offense but i'm seriously doubting that those words have echoed in your >>>ears, because Kasparov to my recollection said "if deepblue were to start >>>playing TOURNAMENT chess, I personaly guarantee I will tear it to shreds". >>>Would Kasparov tear it to shreds? Well who knows that's only conjecture. >>>However, just as Kasparov may be drawing too big of conclusions from the >>>match,you are as well. Especially considering the short nature of the match. >>>Heck if Jan Timman had beaten Kasparov ina match or even Judit Polgar had beaten >>>Polgar in a match, nobody and i mean nobody, would be claiming that either of >>>those players were better than Kasparov. Another thing is that you are >>>overlooking the POSSIBILITY of LUCK. I say this, because as a master i know >>>that there is luck. An example, though i am only an average master, in the game >>>that Kasparov resigned that was a draw. I saw the draw almost instantaneously, >>>maybe a minute to check to make sure of it is all. As for everyone not seeing >>>the move that's not true. In fact many players believed there was something. I >>>wont forget I.M. Ashleys shock when it happened he says at the moment something >>>to the effect "What? Kasparov is resigning?" In a very shocked voice. At that >>>point many people just stopped examining the position. Further, 2 more of the >>>games Kasparov was had winning positions(and blew) that most average GM's would >>>have won, and also He was playing totally uncharacteristically falling for a >>>cheap shot in the carokann. If he played anything like that previously he would >>>have never become world champion. An example KK recently told you to put Hiarcs >>>on "Aggressive style" as opposed to the default style. One of the styles is >>>better or worse, and if it played a match with the worse style(possibly a worse >>>book), you wouldn't say it reflected on the program, but rather on the settings. >>> Kasparov played in a totally uncharacteristic style, and further played bad >>>openings and still almost won the match(the score was very close)! And as for >>>you mentioning deep blues flexibility, well i like computer chess too, but don't >>>be fooled into thinking deep blue is a flexible as Kasparov. Top players, and >>>Top computer experts almost all if they had to bet money would give kasparov an >>>edge in another match ESPECIALLY if it was a longer match. Why do i say 6 games >>>isn't enough? Well for one, NO world championship match has ever been that >>>short! The reason that 6 games neither in the past or the present would have >>>convinced anyone that a human player was the stronger than the current world >>>champion of the time. So why would you all of a sudden make a claim that Deep >>>Blue is stronger based on 6 games? Answer just as some people are biased >>>towards humans you are obviously biased for computers. By this reasoning Anand >>>should have been considered better than Kasparov after the first 9 GAMES of >>>their world championship because Anand was in the lead! No one would make such >>>a claim, because to have done so simply based on the 9 games would have been >>>close to ridiculous. >> >>Hi, I don't think if a person was to imply this it would be close to ridiculous. >> If im playing a person and after 9 games there up with me or slightly ahead >>of me, I am under the impression that they're going to give me a run for my >>money, and to do this they couldn't be that far from your strength,and turn the >>situation around if I was winning someone after nine games I'd know I wasn't >>inferior to this person and I'd know for certain i could give him some good >>matches! Wouldn't you? >>or I may even lose! > > >What i said is that it would be ridiculous for anyone to assume that after 9 >games because Anand was ahead by 1 game to say that it was the superior player. > I didn't say anything about denying that he was close in strength. Nor did i >imply for or against the proposition that deep blue is close in strength to >Kasparov. What i said was that it is ridiculous for people to claim that deep >blue is the superior player over Kasparov based upon only six games(especially >those games). A claim that has been made far, far too many times. I don't think that claim has been made by many... I do think that many have said that "clearly DB is not grossly inferior" and the match result certainly shows that... IE I don't think you can be grossly inferior to someone and win a match of 6 games... You might not be better, but you certainly aren't going to be a lot worse either... statistics won't support that hypothesis...
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