Author: Uri Blass
Date: 08:46:25 11/14/03
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On November 14, 2003 at 11:23:44, martin fierz wrote: >On November 14, 2003 at 11:01:42, Ricardo Gibert wrote: > >>On November 14, 2003 at 10:34:52, martin fierz wrote: >> >>>On November 14, 2003 at 08:28:42, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>> >>>>On November 14, 2003 at 05:08:17, martin fierz wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 14, 2003 at 04:31:21, Otello Gnaramori wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On November 14, 2003 at 02:20:35, Ricardo Gibert wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>If the 3D glasses are bothering him that much, all he has to do is close his >>>>>>>eyes and play blindfold. If he wants, every once in awhile he can take a peak as >>>>>>>needed. It's not that big a deal for a player at his level to play blindfold. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I see no reason to be making excuses for GK. He managed his time poorly and paid >>>>>>>the just price. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Next game! >>>>>> >>>>>>I agree deeply with you, since the board is also clearly visualized internally >>>>>>at those mastery levels, so the 3d external representation is quite unimportant. >>>>>> >>>>>>w.b.r. >>>>>>Otello >>>>> >>>>>just look at those amber blindfold/rapid tournaments, compare the level in >>>>>blindfold and non-blindfold chess and then reconsider your statement... >>>>> >>>>>cheers >>>>> martin >>>> >>>>What I meant is that a major part of the chess game is alwas played "blindfold" >>>>by grandmasters, so the real pieces and chessboard is a mere mnemonic auxilium >>>>at those levels of mastery. >>>> >>>>w.b.r. >>>>Otello >>> >>>if that is so, then why do they play so much better with the board? your theory >>>isn't too convincing... >>> >>>cheers >>> martin >> >>It true that playing blindfold is something of a handicap even for a very good >>player. On the other hand, for GK in this match, it wouldn't really be >>blindfold. He can "peek" when he wishes to. If the glasses give him a headache, >>he could keep his eyes closed say 50% of the time. >> >>I can't do it, but two buddies of mine can blitz blindfolded. No set, no board, >>just a clock sitting between them. It doesn't make too much of a difference to >>them. IIRC, I think I've even seen them play bullet. In any case, the skill of >>playing blindfolded varies from person to person. For some, it's almost like no >>difference. > >playing blindfold is definitely a difference on average even for top >grandmasters, as you can see by looking at the games of the amber tournament. >and by reading interviews with those grandmasters that play there. > >yes, kasparov can peek. i wasn't arguing about that. i objected to the original >statement made in this thread, by you, that playing blindfold makes little >difference at that level. this is simply not true, and the tale of your buddies >may or may not be true - i'd bet that if you checked you would find that their >blindfold games are much worse than their normal games! perhaps they both make >lots of mistakes they both don't notice, or perhaps they claim to be good to >impress other people. or perhaps they are really exceptionally gifted blindfold >players. i do agree that there are people who can play blindfold surprisingly >well compared to the average person. it's a skill you can practise of course. Ny rating is 1997 and I do not believe that I can learn to play blindfold. Getting master level seems to me an easier task but it is not important for me to invest time to get to that level. Uri
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