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Subject: Re: The Shredder-Jonny draw...

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 12:09:45 11/30/03

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On November 30, 2003 at 14:21:32, Slater Wold wrote:

>On November 30, 2003 at 14:15:11, Roger D Davis wrote:
>
>>On November 30, 2003 at 14:10:45, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>Is not so suspect...
>>>
>>>Johannes Zwanzger said that Shredder was clearly won, and that he did not want
>>>to 'steal the victory' from Shredder because of a stupid bug.  THAT is why he
>>>did not get a TD, and kept playing.  It was Johannes Zwanzger's choice, and no
>>>one else.
>>>
>>>Shredder won.  Period.
>>
>>I think it depends on whether you believe programs should be allowed to blunder,
>>and whether operators should be completely passive, or whether they should be
>>allowed to use their own judgment to change the outcome. My own preference is to
>>eliminate the human operator as a variable, however noble his intentions.
>>Otherwise you end up with results that seem chivalrous at one level, but have
>>absurd consequences at the level of the entire tournament. Plus, human variables
>>should be eliminated because it's intended to be engine versus engine.
>>
>>Roger
>
>Had the game actually been drawn, and Johannes Zwanzger lost the game because he
>didn't want Shredder to lose to a 'rookie', I would think it was bogus.  But it
>was a won position, and it was a bug in Shredder.  Hell, Shredder was showing
>something like +10 on the screen for itself...most people wouldn't have even
>played on at that point.

That's a good point you brought up Slater, no why did they continue? Odd indeed.

Terry



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