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Subject: Re: New poll Question? Would anyone now claim comps are not GM strength?

Author: George Tsavdaris

Date: 02:50:25 12/01/03

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On December 01, 2003 at 00:26:35, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On November 30, 2003 at 19:59:21, Gerald Wright wrote:
>
>>On November 30, 2003 at 19:56:49, Eye Witness wrote:
>>
>>>  "If a computer were to play secretly in a tournament like Linares the special
>>>preparation would be taken away and a program like Deep Fritz would finish in
>>>one of the top positions."  Vladimir Kramnik 2003
>>>
>>>
>>>I submit comps have been GM strength since Fritz 5 on a Pentium 200 machine.
>>>Not always against anti-computer play but regular chess play as described above.
>>
>>
>>They have been grandmasters even against anti computer play, if this is not true
>>show me the public games where they have been beaten by anti computer play, i am
>>not talking about some games where some person claimed to win without evidence.
>
>Check my wins at Lokasoft, against Rebel 12, before and after the Bug Fix, I can
>attest they are not Grandmasters, yet.

If they weren't GM's, then how do you explain the performance of:
Rebel Century 4 against Van Vely,Shredder 7 in Argentina, Rebel against Anand
and many others(Rebel didn't lost a match against any GM),Chess Tiger 14 in
Argentina, Chess Tiger 15.0 against 4 GM's,Hiarcs 8 in Agrentina,Hiarcs 9
against Bareev,Deep Fritz 8 and Deep Junior 8 against Kasparov,Fritz 8 against
Kramnik, Gambit Tiger 2.0/Shredder 6.0/Junior 7.0/Hiarcs 8.0 against Smirin(if
they weren't GM's they would lose 7-1 or or more), Brutus against GM's, Chess
Tiger 15.0 in Spain and many many more.

>
>But believe as you will, and no I didn't play with takebacks, nor did I use
>anti-computer play. Besides, what's the fun in that?



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