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Subject: Re: Was the List 5.12 issue ever cleared?

Author: Bas Hamstra

Date: 10:43:49 03/03/04

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On March 02, 2004 at 20:48:38, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On March 02, 2004 at 18:31:54, Uri Blass wrote:
>[snip]
>>>In general, this is not done.  There are a large number of TSCP clones, where
>>>the TSCP heritage is never mentioned.  There are several GnuChess clones where
>>>the heritage is never mentioned.
>>
>>Do you know it by getting the source code of the program or by different
>>investigation?
>
>By extrapolation.  For instance, when a program says "bye" when it exits it is
>usually a TSCP clone.  A string table examination will generally verify the
>initial guess.  Similarly for other engines.
>
>>What is the reason that you do not tell the public which engines are tscp or
>>gnuchess clones when the author does not give credit to the original authors?
>
>Because I have no solid proof.  I will be very, very reluctant to accuse someone
>of something unless I am completely sure of it.  Or I have sent an email to the
>offending author and am waiting for their final response.
>
>There are also programs where the author mentions in passing that their engine
>is based upon the code of some other engine.  A scan of the CCC archives will
>turn up several.  I consider these as "already known."

I fact the sole purpose of TSCP was education. "Look, this is the guts of a
chess program in 1000 lines, everyone can do it. Take it and improve it". And it
still is highly succesful as such. I think there is a BIG difference between
basing upon TSCP, which was written in 3 days and hardly more than a framework
to learn from, and basing upon Crafty which is a fully developed state of the
art chess program with > 5 years work in it. With GNU somewhere in the middle.
"Basing" on Crafty and not mentioning it stinks, IMO. Not many will have a
problem with doing so with TSCP.

Bas.
















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