Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 20:18:19 07/07/04
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On July 07, 2004 at 22:35:34, Andrew Wagner wrote: >On July 07, 2004 at 22:22:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On July 07, 2004 at 22:04:41, Andrew Wagner wrote: >> >>>On July 07, 2004 at 21:57:14, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On July 07, 2004 at 19:27:13, GuyHaworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>There is clearly a lot of interest on this bulletin board in the ICGA WCCC 2004 >>>>>event in Israel. It is clearly repaying us with some interesting games, >>>>>incidents and a close contest. >>>>> >>>>>Like G-CP and others who would very much like to be there in person, I regret >>>>>that I have not been able to attend, and have offered my apologies to Omid and >>>>>colleagues who are doing a first class job with the organisation there. >>>>> >>>>>[ In my case, I would not have been able to attend anytime in the last 10 weeks >>>>>if the event had been anywhere but my home town, but that's life. ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I am happy to receive suggestions for the requirements of an ICGA infrastructure >>>>>to support ICGA events, and also happy to hear of good examples of such >>>>>infrastructure, technologies involved, and expertise willing to be involved. >>>>> >>>>>I say this not only with my ICGA V-P hat on, but as a Univ lecturer happy to >>>>>engage suitable CS students in suitable, interesting projects which are required >>>>>to solve 'real problems' for 'real customers' by the authenticating body (the >>>>>BCS) in the UK. Email is more convenient for me than CCC but I don't wish to >>>>>stifle discussion on CCC if that is preferred. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>This is easy. >>>> >>>>1. Set up a LAN at the tournament site, with a local machine running a FICS >>>>server. >>>> >>>>2. Require _all_ entrants to be FICS compatible, so that moves are >>>>automatically sent between programs with no human intervention, pairing is done >>>>electronically and games started automatically, clocks managed by the FICS >>>>server, games recorded by the FICS server, tournament crosstable provided by the >>>>tournament manager software on the same server, etc... >>>> >>>>3. No exceptions allowed. See note 2 above. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>For the record, I don't think there is any currently available version of the >>>FICS software which is that sophisticated. Heck, even ICC doesn't start the >>>games automatically. My guess would be that this entire server program would >>>have to be written from scratch. No small project, but certainly worthwhile. >>> >> >>Have you played in an ICC tourney lately? IE the "pear" manager does it _all_. >>Does the pairings. starts the games. Collects the results. Etc. >> >> > >Umm, Bob? Did you forget who you're talking to? I _run_ tournaments on pear. My error. I was thinking of "mamer" although I think there is another one that can auto-start games... >First off, it doesn't start the games automatically, it requires at the least a >command from one of the two operators. It also doesn't automatically collect >PGN, for example. Not to mention, the ICC software is far more advanced than >FICS (though I don't know specifically much about FICS tournaments), and is not >open source. ICC collects the PGN just fine. Pear and others report standings, crosstables, etc as the games are finished... > >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>However, you will note that Chessbase are included in WCCC2004's sponsors, and >>>>>are indeed webcasting the event with Boris' commentaries. Chessbase offered to >>>>>support the ICGA with their technology at Maastricht in 2002 and that offer was >>>>>welcomed by the Association. We are very grateful for Chessbase's continued >>>>>interest in the ICGA WCCC and their commitment to webcasting. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Fine. It is a proprietary interface, with a proprietary protocol. Let 'em >>>>webcast all they want, but do the main event in a publicly available protocol to >>>>prevent one company from "taking over". At ICC, we have had thousands of people >>>>looking at games at one time, such as the Deep Blue vs Kasparov match. ICGA >>>>events can't even be seen publicly unless you only run windows and download a >>>>(what is now free but might not always be since it is commercial) interface for >>>>that proprietary protocol. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Finally, I thank Omid again for performing his many roles in parallel with >>>>>exercising FALCON very creditably in the event. He has the support of the ICGA >>>>>personnel there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Guy Haworth >>>>>VP, ICGA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Fix the black hole. Nothing is getting out in a timely manner except for >>>>participants logging in to CCC as they have time. That is almost criminal >>>>behavior for the "International COMPUTER games association" to not make the >>>>event available to a COMPUTER network... >>>> >>>>It just defies all logic. IBM did it for the DB match, in a way that _anybody_ >>>>could watch, unix or not. Why can't the ICGA do the same? Why hasn't it _done_ >>>>it already. It's not like this is a new and novel idea...
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