Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:21:14 01/12/05
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On January 12, 2005 at 18:00:30, chandler yergin wrote: >On January 12, 2005 at 17:43:45, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On January 12, 2005 at 17:26:40, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On January 12, 2005 at 13:31:16, chandler yergin wrote: >>>[snip] >>>>>This is why I keep pestering Skinner to let me download some of them :) >>>>> >>>>>And when the 7-man tables are finished? (2010 or so :)) >>>> >>>> >>>>Not in your lifetime! >>> >>>All the essential files will be done before long. >>>KQQQQQk is not very interesing, for instance. >>> >>>>> Computers will become >>>>>invincible in the ending, as they win all "simple" endings like KQPPKQP with >>>>>ease. >>>>> >>>>>anthony >>>> >>>> Not until you get the BUGS out of the Programs. >>>>Humans still Rule; NOT Silicon Chips! >>> >>>Humans also have flaws in their analysis. Eventually, computers will win every >>>game, because humans advance slowly and compute power advances exponentially. >>> >>>It is simply inevitable >> >>It is not so clear. >> >>If the game is complicated enough computers will eventually win every game but >>if the game is simple enough humans may play perfect at least in part of the >>games and get draws. >> >>It is not clear that chess is complicated enough so humans cannot avoid drawing >>against computers. > >YES! They can Draw! > >> >>A deterministic machine will be unable to win every game because human who want >>to draw it will need only to learn the moves of game of that machine against >>itself and use them. > >What do you call a 'deterministic' machine? deterministic machine is machine that always play the same move from the same position. >Computers "Store & Retrieve Information. They have NO intelligence! >I'm glad you realize that! Computers need no intelligence to be not deterministic. Changing the weight of the evaluations by some small random number can cause them to choose different move. > >Look at the EPD Test Positions.. How many Programs Fail to Solve them? >Hmmmm? Computers get bettter and better and I do not claim that it is impossible that in the future they will solve every chess problem. probably you will not live to see it but it is possible that younger people than you may see it. >How many make D-U-M-B mistakes...? >Hmmmm? >Computers will NEVER Solve Chess! >Period! Not in the near future but I cannot be sure of never. I cannot be sure that it is impossible that humans will invent some algorithm to detect illogical moves and by pruning them will solve chess. It is also possible that if computers search deep enough they will practically solve chess and inspite of no proof that they solve chess nobody will be able to beat them even with take back. It is possible that some smart evaluation+ some smart search are enough to play always the best move(except maybe not finding the fastest mate that is not important for the result) without proving that the program always play the best move. Uri >No "Proof" can be submitted until every possible combination has been "Brute >Forced". >That.. is an impossibility! > >Your ELO Ratings for Computers is "Greatly" Overinflated... >CY > >> >>The only chance of machines to win every game is in case that they have >>something not deterministic in their choice. >> >>I doubt if it is possible to do in chess. > >Thank YOU! >Programs are a TOOL! >Some of you Programmers don't even understand how to use them! >> >>Uri
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