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Subject: Re: Beauty In Chess..The Differences Between Human And Computer Play

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:35:50 01/20/05

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On January 20, 2005 at 19:12:20, Steve B wrote:

>>Trying to define beauty with a set of rules is silly to me.
>
>
>the point of the exercise was to develop a program that more closely resembled
>the same thought process that the 20 rated experts employed(each rated at least
>2000 elo)
>to make a program that "thinks" about its move more  like that of a  human
>
>not to come up with a concrete definition of Beauty
>
>when the early AI programers(Turing ,Shannon ,Botvinnik.etc) decided on chess as
>a worthy subject to try to emulate in a program it was with the idea of having a
>computer "think" like a human nad therefore learn more about human thought
>process
>
>computer chess has greatly diverged from this path,with the main focus on
>winning tournaments for awards and prize money
>
>therefore you have this current day concentration on more speed and more
>powerful hardware to search deeper and deeper and thusly you no longer have
>chess program's  that think about a move the way humans would
>
>after Kasparov's loss to Deep Blue in 1997 Hans Berliner(former World
>correspondence  champion and programmer of the very first chess program to
>achieve International master status with Hitech)said
>"Deep Blues designers did not believe in enhancing chess computers performances
>by endowing them with humanlike chess knowledge...they knew little about chess"

They had a large team that included several GMs.

Kasparov said, "No computer can make that move!"

Similarly, Kasparov said, "I’m not afraid to admit I’m afraid. It makes
decisions that cannot be made by any computer"

And Kasparov said, "In certain situations, Deep Blue plays like a God."

And Kasparov said, "So although I think I did see some signs of intelligence (in
Deep Blue), it is a weird kind, an inefficient, inflexible kind that makes me
think I have a few years left."

>we have gotten far afield from the very reason chess were chosen by the early
>pioneers in the field of computer chess
>
>winning,

Isn't that the goal?

>brute force,speed and power are the order of the day

Kasparov has the brute force, speed and power about equal to any current
comptuer.  Is that a bad thing?

>to me..this is silly

Computers sometimes play moves just as beautiful or even more beautiful than
humans.



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