Author: Vasik Rajlich
Date: 03:52:42 02/16/05
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On February 15, 2005 at 14:07:29, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On February 15, 2005 at 09:39:08, Vasik Rajlich wrote: > >>On February 15, 2005 at 06:53:43, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>On February 15, 2005 at 05:34:37, Vasik Rajlich wrote: >>> >>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:54:03, Peter Berger wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 14, 2005 at 19:38:12, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Not really. It is presmise already debated previously. It doesnt provide a new >>>>>>light about the thopic. Sorry. >>>>> >>>>>OK, one more (and no, I never claimed to have any special skills and ideas in >>>>>this area at all, that was you and Vincent :) ). One of the poor programs >>>>>provided with a book by me and playing with the black pieces will be out of book >>>>>after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd5 as happened for Crafty against Diep last year , >>>>>if I hadn't thought of this possibilty before - isn't that just awful ? I don't >>>>>think so, it's just logical. Control has become a major point IMHO , the engines >>>>>don't do too bad on their own. Of course it is better if you thought of some >>>>>potentially relevant line like this, but better nothing than random grandmaster >>>>>lines. Yes, you opposed this point of view multiple times before in discussions >>>>>with Uri , but I think you never managed to score. I'd accept a challenge btw - >>>>>over a good bottle of wine, champaigne, or so. >>>> >>>>Yes, this is an interesting point. A lot of "theory" is almost never played - >>>>everybody knows the refutations, so there are no games. A thorough book author >>>>will include these known refutations in his book. >>>> >>>>Your not being ready for 3. cxd5 goes in this category, since the move is a >>>>blunder. The problem with 3. cxd5 immediately is that after 3. .. exd5 4. Nc3 >>>>c6! black will take control of the b1-h7 diagonal with either 5. .. Bf5 or, if >>>>white tries 5. Qc2, 5. .. Ne7 followed by 6. .. Bf5. When white correctly delays >>>>cxd5, he will get this diagonal himself. >>>> >>>>For what it's worth, neither the Junior nor the Shredder book has this piece of >>>>knowledge. >>>> >>>>Vas >>> >>>Of course, Shedder has played in Tournaments more side lines than this. For >>>example: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Bd3 against the French. >>> >>>3. cxd is not a blunder because it doesnt mean a direct lost. It is just a >>>passive move. >>> >>>Correction: >>> >>>1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. cxd exd 4. Nf3 if .... c6. >>> >>>5. Bf4..... >>> >>>your options..... 5. .... Bf5 6. e3... The position is = >>> >>>5. ... Ne7 6. Nf3 = >>> >>>The problem is not the move is a mistake. It is just a passive move. That´s >>>all. >>> >>>Arturo. >> >>Actually on 4. Nf3 black can play 4. .. Bd6, since .. Bf5 still can't be >>stopped. >> >>Of course white is ok - white is always ok. This situation just shows one of the >>problems with automatically generated books. 3. cxd5 is a line that must be done >>manually, game statistics won't help. >> >>In fact, when I first saw this game, I thought that maybe this was one of >>Vincent's little jokes ... >> >>Vas > >It is just a joke what you have written before. The joke is to think the move is >a blunder. If you say that how I can explain you. > >It would interesting what you think a blunder is. Are you clear with that >concept? > >Besides, givin a simple move doesnt prove anything. Can you point out a better >proof that those moves are a direct blunder? > >I am sure that your next reply will funnier. Continue. I can read some jokes >here. :)))) > >Arturo. Hmmm. A blunder is a move that costs you 700 rating points :) Vas
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