Author: Mark Young
Date: 20:37:20 02/20/05
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On February 20, 2005 at 21:25:53, stuart taylor wrote: >On February 20, 2005 at 20:20:43, Mark Young wrote: > >>On February 20, 2005 at 18:24:57, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On February 20, 2005 at 17:44:46, Mark Young wrote: >>> >>>>On February 20, 2005 at 17:14:12, walt irvin wrote: >>>> >>>>>i have tested shredder 9 for about 3 days now. at first i tested it on a 600 mhz >>>>>athlon . on that it did ok but did not dominate ,fritz 6 ,8 ,dfritz 7 gave it >>>>>some problems as did ruffian and chess tiger 14 . but today i try it on my 2.1 >>>>>ghz athlon and im surprised at the result... it seems shredder gets alot more >>>>>out of the increse speed than fritz or tiger ,,, >>>> >>>>I have seen this also. When you let Shredder 9 go deep. Shredder 9 will dominate >>>>the other programs. >>> >>>If that's the case, I couldn't ask for more! >>> >>>Even in five to ten years from now, when there might be quicker software, >>>Shredder 9 might still be near the top. >>> >>>So what happens if you make a tournament at 10 hours each player per game, on >>>the above 2Ghz. hardware? Will Shredder 9 avoid almost any losses? If so, >>>that'swhat I've been waiting for a long time. >>>S.Taylor >> >> >>Shredder 9 plays at a very high level....but you have to understand that chess >>is very deep and wide. Programs are a very long way from perfect play outside of >>6 man TB. >> >>My guess would be Shredder 9 would be crushed in 5 to 10 years. Like Fritz 5.32 >>is crushed by Shredder 9 today. > >I find that very hard to believe. It's not all that easy to explain why. But It >seems that it's much more difficult today to push chess level as quickly as it >used to be done, because it's a much greater job to do so. MOST of chess, I >think, has been solved. Let's say, about nine tenths of it. But the last tenth >contains everything which has not yet been solved, which is a huge amount. >I mean, that's my thought! All I can say is....You have a right to be wrong. If you think chess is 90% solved. >(I mean, perhaps as a rough estimate, computer chess might have solved eight >tenths, and human chess, about nine tenths, except that machines are much more >faultless, so they score about (almost) equally to the top humans. And the last >tenth is still left. And for computers, the last two tenths). >S.Taylor You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. If you think humans and programs are near the bottom of that hole.
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