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Subject: Re: shredder 9

Author: Mark Young

Date: 20:37:20 02/20/05

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On February 20, 2005 at 21:25:53, stuart taylor wrote:

>On February 20, 2005 at 20:20:43, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On February 20, 2005 at 18:24:57, stuart taylor wrote:
>>
>>>On February 20, 2005 at 17:44:46, Mark Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 20, 2005 at 17:14:12, walt irvin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>i have tested shredder 9 for about 3 days now. at first i tested it on a 600 mhz
>>>>>athlon . on that it did ok but did not dominate ,fritz 6 ,8 ,dfritz 7 gave it
>>>>>some problems as did ruffian and chess tiger 14 . but today i try it on my 2.1
>>>>>ghz athlon and im surprised at the result... it seems shredder gets alot more
>>>>>out of the increse speed than fritz or tiger ,,,
>>>>
>>>>I have seen this also. When you let Shredder 9 go deep. Shredder 9 will dominate
>>>>the other programs.
>>>
>>>If that's the case, I couldn't ask for more!
>>>
>>>Even in five to ten years from now, when there might be quicker software,
>>>Shredder 9 might still be near the top.
>>>
>>>So what happens if you make a tournament at 10 hours each player per game, on
>>>the above 2Ghz. hardware? Will Shredder 9 avoid almost any losses? If so,
>>>that'swhat I've been waiting for a long time.
>>>S.Taylor
>>
>>
>>Shredder 9 plays at a very high level....but you have to understand that chess
>>is very deep and wide. Programs are a very long way from perfect play outside of
>>6 man TB.
>>
>>My guess would be Shredder 9 would be crushed in 5 to 10 years. Like Fritz 5.32
>>is crushed by Shredder 9 today.
>
>I find that very hard to believe. It's not all that easy to explain why. But It
>seems that it's much more difficult today to push chess level as quickly as it
>used to be done, because it's a much greater job to do so. MOST of chess, I
>think, has been solved. Let's say, about nine tenths of it. But the last tenth
>contains everything which has not yet been solved, which is a huge amount.
>I mean, that's my thought!

All I can say is....You have a right to be wrong. If you think chess is 90%
solved.


>(I mean, perhaps as a rough estimate, computer chess might have solved eight
>tenths, and human chess, about nine tenths, except that machines are much more
>faultless, so they score about (almost) equally to the top humans. And the last
>tenth is still left. And for computers, the last two tenths).
>S.Taylor

You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. If you think humans and programs
are near the bottom of that hole.



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