Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 05:31:44 04/22/05
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On April 22, 2005 at 06:10:40, chandler yergin wrote: >On April 22, 2005 at 03:39:06, Tony Nichols wrote: > >> I know I might make some people mad by what I say but someone should say it. >>Today's chess programs are not nearly as strong as the top human players. All >>this hype about Hydra being 3000 elo is a joke. In fact, All the elo claims for >>computers are a joke. We have seen many examples of class players drawing >>against these programs. These same players would have no chance of drawing even >>an average GM(no disrespect). These high level man vs machine matches are just >>promotional gimmicks. The top players won't play anti-computer chess for many >>reasons: >>1. ego. The players want to beat the computer with normal(manly) chess. They >>also don't want their achievement to be devalued. >>2. money. If you show the weaknesses of the program and systematically beat it >>you certainly will not get invited to another match. >>I find it strange that people who approach computer vs. computer tournaments in >>a very scientific way are the same people who scoff at posts made by players who >>regularly draw against the top programs. Perhaps this information upsets their >>fantasy? I don't know. >>I for one am an avid user of chess programs and I find them invaluable. However, >>even I (1850 elo)have to guide the programs along the right paths during >>analysis. Could you imagine me telling Kasparov that he's missing the point! No. >>The programs perform as well as they do because they are very good at tactics >>and most importantly they have huge opening books. I know this is a >>controversial topic but if we really want to test the strenght of programs, then >>have them play against strong humans without opening books. Many here would not >>even consider it. >>I am interested in what others have to say!? >>Regards >>Tony > > >A brief History... > >http://www.cs.biu.ac.il/~davoudo/history.html > >The Ratings of the Top Programs should be added here.. >Perhaps someone could oblige? > >Yes Computer Programs have come a long way.. > >A hypothetical challenge: > >To get a 'fair' playing field, and to truly test the performance of a Program >let's not use Opening Books DataBases or EGTB's. > >Get a little school girl age 10 -12 who has never played chess, >teach her the rules of the game. > >Now, both the Computer & the girl know the Rules. >Have a 10 game match under Tournament time controls.. > >Who do you think will win? They quit doing this decades ago. Oh the kid with no skill or knowledge outside the rules will be decimated.
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