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Subject: Re: Zappa-Isichess

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 02:50:13 08/20/05

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On August 20, 2005 at 03:35:43, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Arturo,
>On August 19, 2005 at 20:49:56, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>On August 19, 2005 at 20:36:45, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>On August 19, 2005 at 19:50:08, Richard Pijl wrote:
>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 15:43:01, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 15:26:55, A. Cozzie wrote:
>>>>>>Here I screwed my book creator, because the horrible, horrible Fritz interface
>>>>>>resets the book options every time you touch the mouse, and played with
>>>>>>incorrect options.  But somehow Zappa managed to slip into the win anyway;
>>>>>>perhaps it was a bit lucky.
>>>>>Never play with the cb-gui. It had cost a lot of programs points in the history
>>>>>of wccc.
>>>>>I hope Zappa 2.0 is still uci and can be used in Arena.
>>>>Zappa's book requires the CB-GUI
>>>I think that it is unfair to use books that require the CB-GUI
>>>If I understand correctly it means that the GUI choose the book moves and not
>>>the engine so the author is using something external program to help him to
>>>select moves.
>>>I think that the engine needs to choose all the moves(otherwise the playing
>>>thing is not original work of the author and the authors of the chessbase gui
>>>should be mentioned as part of the team).
>>Uri Blass, the king of the absurd arguments.
>in this case I think there is nothing absurd in his arguments. He may have
>expressed it not that clever, but you may take a look on what Bob has written
>about that topic.

It is as absurd as you support his arguments.

>IMO Bob is fully right, sharing active GUI's and there book tools is not
>something we should support. But well, as long the ICGA does not care about
>that, there is not much we can do against it.

You have asnwered the point. There is no rule that forbids the use of a gui.

>The strangest thing to me was once Vincent in Paderborn. First he did play the
>opening moves with the ChessBase GUI and then switches to his own GUI and play
>with that the rest of the game. This was in Paderborn 2005 - and as this tourney

I was not the Book Responsible by that time. It was Erdogan. ErdoganĀ“s Book is
in the ChessBase format.

>has a special atmosphere I would never complain -> but for sure I wouldn't have
>accepted this in WCCC. And that when I know that especially Vincent is one of
>those which want to see the engine playing all moves and not some sort of GUI.
>(By the way, when I read what Bob wrote this seems to be one point where Bob and

Vincent's requested my help 3 weeks ago. He is using a native book for Diep.

What is your point?

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