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Subject: Re: Zappa-Isichess

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 05:30:55 08/20/05

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On August 20, 2005 at 06:56:18, Uri Blass wrote:

>On August 20, 2005 at 06:17:37, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>On August 19, 2005 at 21:53:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>On August 19, 2005 at 20:49:56, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 20:36:45, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 19:50:08, Richard Pijl wrote:
>>>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 15:43:01, Thomas Lagershausen wrote:
>>>>>>>On August 19, 2005 at 15:26:55, A. Cozzie wrote:
>>>>>>>>Here I screwed my book creator, because the horrible, horrible Fritz interface
>>>>>>>>resets the book options every time you touch the mouse, and played with
>>>>>>>>incorrect options.  But somehow Zappa managed to slip into the win anyway;
>>>>>>>>perhaps it was a bit lucky.
>>>>>>>Never play with the cb-gui. It had cost a lot of programs points in the history
>>>>>>>of wccc.
>>>>>>>I hope Zappa 2.0 is still uci and can be used in Arena.
>>>>>>Zappa's book requires the CB-GUI
>>>>>I think that it is unfair to use books that require the CB-GUI
>>>>>If I understand correctly it means that the GUI choose the book moves and not
>>>>>the engine so the author is using something external program to help him to
>>>>>select moves.
>>>>>I think that the engine needs to choose all the moves(otherwise the playing
>>>>>thing is not original work of the author and the authors of the chessbase gui
>>>>>should be mentioned as part of the team).
>>>>Uri Blass, the king of the absurd arguments.
>>>>1) For CCT7 and the Elhvest Match, I used the native format for Zappa.
>>>>2) For WCCC2005, there are several engines that has been using the ChessBase
>>>>GUI. However, it doesn't mean that the Book was made by ChessBase. The Book
>>>>Responsible for Zappa in the WCCC2005 has been Erdogan whose book is in the
>>>>ChessBase format. It is his original work performed by several years.
>>>>The engine is a complete original work of Anthony Cozzie.
>>>>If you are going to begin your post-WCCC2005 nonsense before the Tournament is
>>>>over, I suggest you find other hobby according to your absurd world, instead of
>>>>writing craps every day of the year.
>>>1)I did not say that chessbase made the book.
>>>2)I understood before making the previous post that the book is original and the
>>>part that choose the moves is not original.
>>>3)I know that 2 is the case not only for zappa but also for part of the other
>>>engines(at least in the past) and I know that at least Jonny and falcon used the
>>>chessbase interface in the previous WCCC.
>>>4)I did not know before reading your post that the fact that zappa used the
>>>chessbase interface is because Erdogan's book is in the chessBase format.
>>Zappa has never known to use CB Books. Erdogan help joined 3 weeks ago or so.
>>You will never learn the lesson to ask first and then to draw conclusions.
>This comment is a personal attack against me but I decided not to complain.
>Note that I did not make a personal attack in my first post and only wrote:
>"I think that it is unfair to use books that require the CB-GUI"
>I attacked a situation and not a person and I talked about something that
>happened and not about the future(I try to understand why you get so angry about
>it and maybe you understood that what I say is equivalent to claiming that the
>author of zappa cheated by doing it and of course not me and nobody else meant
>to claim it).
>Unfair does not mean illegal by the rules but against justice and the problem is
>not only with zappa of this tournament(In my original post I did not mention
>that the problem is not only with zappa and I did not mention that it is not
>something personal against the author and I did not explain that the problem is
>not that the book is not original and maybe it was a mistake).
>Maybe my choice of words was not the best and it was better to write:
>"I think that it is better that in the future, books that require the CB-GUI
>will not be allowed or be allowed only for one engine of chessbase".
>Note that I never used the chessbase gui in previous WCCC because I felt that it
>is unfair if the interface does decisions for the engine like claiming a draw
>and I noticed that it even has bugs in claiming draw and can claim a draw by
>repetition inspite of the fact that in the first case enpassent capture is
>I know that some engines used the chessbase gui also in the WCCC in Israel and I
>think that it also was not correct to allow it.
>>There was no option there.
>This is not correct.
>There was an option not to use the chessbase interface and not to use Erdogan's

No, you dont read and you mess up. Simply, there was _no_ option, since I
retired for personal reasons. The unique option was Erdogan.

>>By the way, Zappa is winning the Tournament.
>The fact that Zappa is winning the tournament is not a surprise and I guessed it
>before the tournament.

This is not a fact yet. It is happening until now. Tomorrow it will be knwon the
new Champion. Uri Blass doesnt have any solution.

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