Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 13:08:18 08/22/05
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On August 22, 2005 at 15:20:28, Theo van der Storm wrote: >On August 22, 2005 at 13:53:50, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On August 22, 2005 at 10:44:18, Thorsten Czub wrote: >> >>>On August 22, 2005 at 09:25:17, Andreas Schwartmann wrote: >>> >>>>On August 22, 2005 at 07:58:30, Thorsten Czub wrote: >>>> >>>>>why did he thought he would win ? >>>>> >>>>>wasn't he warned from mainz ? >>>> >>>>That was just FRC, not serious chess. >>>> >>>>Andreas >>>? >>>where is your ":-))" ? >>> >>>FRC is 960x serious chess. >> >>What? Are you a messenger of Fischer? FRC is played for fun not in ernest. The >>only advantage/disadvantage is you can't build good books easily for 960 >>starting position, hence theory and study of the openings is out the window! >> >>It's Fairy Chess and you can't tune your engine by studying such games in >>standard chess. >> >>Terry > >Chess960 is not the same game as chess. >This is especially true in combination with the Fischer clock. >However, that doesn't make it "Fairy Chess". It's not classical chess, it's an aberration of classical chess. I guess it deserves another name than "Fairy Chess" but it's not conventional chess and will not replace modern chess as some claim. > >In Mainz August 2005 Chess960 HAS BECOME a serious game >for both computers and humans. There are now plenty of grandmaster and IM who >take it seriously and all of a sudden, thanks to Richard Pijl, Stefan MK >and 17 other programmers (2-18), there is a substantial field of programs. Most if not all GM's and IM's, mature ones, don't take it as seriously as "normal" chess. I suspect they never will. I suspect that FRC in computer chess is a greater challenge and many programers will have a great interest in FRC. Books will really be a tough challenge. > >Apart from the speed at which it happened, >I cannot say I'm surprised about those programs. >It is troublesome for a chess programmer to find a good opening book author, >since there are so few of them and it's so time-consuming to prepare for good >opening play both on the program and the book side. >Thus throwing opening practice - with my science background I refuse to call it >theory - out of the window is very attractive to them. >They can focus on their real interest, i.e. programming. >Opening phase evaluation would be a good starter... >There is plenty of opportunity - no necessity! - for elegant programming, >because they won't get away with hard-coded constructs anymore. Don't be so sure, I think computers could be most useful in inventing books for FRC, and in time there will be some neat solutions for these problems. Without solid opening constructs, theory, then chess is incomplete. FRC is incomplete. The opening phase is still chess, no less then the middlegame and endgame. > >I'm not suggesting to get rid of good old Chess just yet, though :-) I would hope not! Terry > >Theo van der Storm > >PS: >written by Mark Vogelgesang am 05. August 2005 13:29:51: >Here is the final list of all programmers that will participate in the Chess960 >Computer World Championship in Mainz, in no particular order. >1) The Baron / Pijl >2) Glaurung / Romstad >3) Deep Sjeng / Pascutto >4) Herrmann / Annuss >5) List / Reul >6) Xinix / Roon-Werten >7) Nexus / Dörr >8) Homer / Mehrmann >9) Spike / Böhm Schäfer >10) Ant960 / Vijlbrief, Secelle >11) Patzer / Pfister >12) Quark / Mayer >13) AICE / Milikas >14) Ayito / Benito >15) Ikarus / Kolss >16) Jonny / Zwanzger >17) parSOS / Huber >18) Pharaon / Zibi >19) Shredder / Meyer-Kahlen
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