Author: Uri Blass
Date: 12:26:47 09/03/05
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On September 03, 2005 at 14:08:58, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>On September 03, 2005 at 13:33:26, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2005 at 12:37:31, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2005 at 10:03:24, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>
>>>>Last Position:
>>>>
>>>>[D]8/8/5p2/5B2/5b1p/6k1/7p/7K w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>You see:
>>>>Fewer knowledge brings more points!!!
>>>
>>>I don't understand your comment about fewer knowledge.
>>>
>>>I was convinced, Yace would show 0.0 immediately in this position. But it
>>>didn't. It turned out, that I had a wrong comment in the source, and the
>>>detection of this type of draws would only work for the single rook pawn, but
>>>not for doubled or tripled rook pawn. After few keystrokes in the source, I get:
>>>
>>>
>>> 169 0.000 0.00 1t 1.Be6 {-240}
>>> 179 0.000 0.00 1. 1.Be6 {-240}
>>> 195 0.000 0.00 2t 1.Be6 h3 {-240}
>>> 225 0.000 0.00 2. 1.Be6 h3 {-240}
>>> 278 0.000 0.00 3t 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 {-240}
>>> 308 0.000 0.00 3. 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 {-240}
>>> 399 0.000 0.00 4t 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 Be5 {-240}
>>> 516 0.000 0.00 4. 1.Be6 h3 2.Bf7 Be5 {-240}
>>>
>>>and so on ...
>>>
>>>One bug less :-)
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Dieter
>>
>>Hallo Dieter,
>>
>>Wenn sich Programme mit +3 vorne sehen, so werden sie nie ein Remisangebot
>>annehmen oder auch anbieten (es sei denn ein Schiedsrichter als Mensch macht
>>das). Auf Playchess kann man zB. einstellen dass bei 0.00 ein Remis angeboten
>>oder angenommen wird. Durch die hohe Bewertung aber, hat Shredder lange Zeit nur
>>herumgeschoben (also ohne richtige Gewinnabsicht), und hat dadurch nach Zeit
>>gewonnen. Daher ist es sinnvoller hier (trotz Remis) etwas Plus zu geben, weil
>>dadurch mehr gepunktet wird (wenn man eine sehr schnelle Hardware hat!).
>>
>>Viele machen das so auf playchess (ich habe es zu spüren bekommen) weil sie
>>"sehr schnelle" Hardware haben, ja, und so gewinnen sie so auch Remisstellungen
>>mit realen 0.00 noch nach Zeit. Das finde ich unsportlich.
>
>
>Dieter,
>I'm astonished that you didn't get what Eduard meant to say. It was crystal
>clear. In my eyes Eduard proved that chess programs are better than humans
>because they are more stupid than humans.
No
I think that he meant to say that knowledge is not important when you can win
the game on time and in the example the black side won the game on time.
Einstein would have enjoyed that in
>chess. BTW I knew it already. For years now programmers are trying to get rid of
>all the unneccessary knowledge and they are relying on hardware speed alone.
I do not think that it is the case and fruit got significant progress from
Fruit1.0 to Fruit2.1 mainly by improving it's evaluation.
Uri
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