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Subject: Re: Human versus Engine - victory ! BUT, IT WAS BARELY CHESS.

Author: A. Steen

Date: 16:05:15 11/23/05

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On November 23, 2005 at 05:49:58, Maurizio Monge wrote:

>Hi,
>could you please post a few of your games agaist fruit?
>I am very interested (as chess player) to see how fruit
>can be beaten by a strong player..
>
>Thanks!
>Maurizio


Please, beating Fruit is not difficult for a human player, and is no proof of
strength. Many games have been posted here already showing how Fruit is
defeated.

If you look here-
http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?463395
you will find a weak player beating Fruit 2.2.1.

Why I find Shredder and Fritz (latest) much harder to defeat than Fruit is hard
for me to "data-mine" (and find the underlying rule or reason).  Fruit's king
safety seems to be an Achilles heel, but it is not the answer.  Maybe the other
two make me walk the tightrope more.

When I buy my copy of Fruit soon (my free download trial version has I think
expired or will expire in the next day or two) I will select a good victory and
probably email it to you. If I post it here, you will hear barking that I am
boasting or something ridiculous.

But..

To avoid any doubt, I think Fruit 2.2.1 and its cousin the latest Toga are the
best engines to use in computer vs. computer games.

I am not anti-Fruit.

Also, for analysis, Fruit seemed to me preferable than Shredder - and definitely
preferable to Fritz which should not be used for many types of position!

Best,

A.S.



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