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Subject: Re: in all fairness, toga performs differently from fruit 2.2.

Author: Ryan B.

Date: 19:54:21 12/22/05

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On December 22, 2005 at 22:43:35, Joseph Ciarrochi wrote:

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>I am very respectiful of the creator of fruit 2.2. and the way he has influenced
>programing. Having said that, it looks to me that toga is similar to fruit, but
>also clearly distinguishable from fruit in terms of how it evaluats a postion.
>
> Check out the stats here :
>http://kd.lab.nig.ac.jp/chess/cegt/engine-distance-table-best-300.shtml
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>Unforutnately, there are no head to head comparisons of fruit and toga, but you
>can look at how similar they are when competing against the same engine. For
>example, togas evaluations  are more similar to ktula 7.5 evaluations than
>fruits.
>
>this is not definitive reasoning, unfortunately. Fruit went comericial between
>version 2.1 and 2.2, and the new code was no longer public access. maybe the
>observed differences are due to what was added in 2.2.   i.e., maybe fruit 2.1
>is almost identifical to toga, but 2.2 is quite different? any data on this?
>
>best
>Joseph
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>On December 22, 2005 at 22:15:18, Peter Kappler wrote:
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>>On December 22, 2005 at 20:33:50, Zappa wrote:
>>
>>>A different view:
>>>
>>>Hydra, too weak to show at Paderborn
>>>Zappa, the best thing since sliced bread
>>>Fruit, proving once again that KISS works.
>>>Toga II, the clone of fruit with literally 50 lines changed that people somehow
>>>credit as a real engine
>>
>>And isn't it true the the author of Toga initially tried to claim that the code
>>was 100% his?  It's beyond me why anybody recognizes Toga as a distinct engine.
>>It sounds like it contains about as much original work as a Chessmaster
>>personality.
>>
>>-Peter
>>
>>
>>>Rybka, an interesting and totally different approach that seems to work real
>>>well
>>>
>>>anthony


Toga is a more tactical less positional version of Fruit 2.1.  Very little
change in actual personality beyond that.

Ryan



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