Author: Ernst Walet
Date: 02:59:41 12/31/05
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On December 31, 2005 at 05:39:36, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On December 31, 2005 at 03:52:29, Ernst Walet wrote: > >>On December 30, 2005 at 20:29:44, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On December 30, 2005 at 19:16:07, Ernest Bonnem wrote: >>> >>>>Who can give an answer? >>>>Vas? >>>>Ernst? >>>>anybody else knows? >>> >>>I think that it is trivial. >>> >>>It is dangerous to play with an untested version. >>> >>> >>>Rybka beta was tested heavily by the CEGT team and other people. >>>Rybka Preview is a new version and still was not tested enough. >>> >> >>This was exacly the reason why Vasik choose to pplay with the beta version. >> >> >>>A more interesting question is why the opponents resigned against rybka and did >>>not continue until mate because it is known that rybka has a bug that may cause >>>it problems to win won positions because it does not care about distance to >>>mate. >>> >> >>Let me say that the reason why others didn't want to try Rybka's mating >>capabilities has everything to do with the friendly atmosphere in wich the >>tournament took place. > >Ok, this is absolutely fine! But then it's wrong to read something too deep into >the results. But we had this before. Shredder could only win Graz because it got >a full point (instead of the half point from the draw) from Jonny. Just to make >this very clear. IMO the whole involvement of operators / programmers, who then >want to be nice and noble, is out-dated and a fair internet event has a clear >sportive advantage. You can't have both! > >- A gentleman-like ambience with faulty arbiter decisions but overall love and >friendship between operators (who are doing a job that a decent machine should >be able to do on its own!) who then want to have fun on Thursday evening and in >always the same hotels or... > >- A real and sportive competition with the absolute domination of the programs >plus machines on their own and results that have some meaning and significance. > >Just to avoid a typical misunderstanding, I want to add that to prove the class >of Rybka nobody had needed such an exhibition. And I am really astonished how >the description of the details of proceduring in Paderborn decreased the meaning >of the results we discussed so heatedly here on CCC and I am possibly the only >one to comment on the apparent split. How could we dare to discuss so deeply >certain moves of particular games if for example in Paderborn an agreement >prevented any attempts to go into "dirty" mode - which is part of every modern >sport?! I had the impression that we here made a proxy competition in debating >things out of a so-called real life competition held in cotton-wool gloves... ;) > >> >> >>>The bug was no problem in CEGT because the interface adjudicates the result >>>based on evaluations but it could be a problem in real games. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Ernst. Ok you are probably right about this, and perhap there will be a dirty mode competition at the next WCCC. But then again when this would be at hand I wouldn't be operating any competitive program at all LOL. Maybe i was too naive to see no problem doing this at Paderborn and won't be doing it again in the future. Food for thought. I would have no problem if others tried to exploid Rybka's weaknesses and honestly I expected it to happen. Ernst.
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