Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 09:58:43 12/31/05
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On December 31, 2005 at 05:59:41, Ernst Walet wrote: >On December 31, 2005 at 05:39:36, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On December 31, 2005 at 03:52:29, Ernst Walet wrote: >> >>>On December 30, 2005 at 20:29:44, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On December 30, 2005 at 19:16:07, Ernest Bonnem wrote: >>>> >>>>>Who can give an answer? >>>>>Vas? >>>>>Ernst? >>>>>anybody else knows? >>>> >>>>I think that it is trivial. >>>> >>>>It is dangerous to play with an untested version. >>>> >>>> >>>>Rybka beta was tested heavily by the CEGT team and other people. >>>>Rybka Preview is a new version and still was not tested enough. >>>> >>> >>>This was exacly the reason why Vasik choose to pplay with the beta version. >>> >>> >>>>A more interesting question is why the opponents resigned against rybka and did >>>>not continue until mate because it is known that rybka has a bug that may cause >>>>it problems to win won positions because it does not care about distance to >>>>mate. >>>> >>> >>>Let me say that the reason why others didn't want to try Rybka's mating >>>capabilities has everything to do with the friendly atmosphere in wich the >>>tournament took place. >> >>Ok, this is absolutely fine! But then it's wrong to read something too deep into >>the results. But we had this before. Shredder could only win Graz because it got >>a full point (instead of the half point from the draw) from Jonny. Just to make >>this very clear. IMO the whole involvement of operators / programmers, who then >>want to be nice and noble, is out-dated and a fair internet event has a clear >>sportive advantage. You can't have both! >> >>- A gentleman-like ambience with faulty arbiter decisions but overall love and >>friendship between operators (who are doing a job that a decent machine should >>be able to do on its own!) who then want to have fun on Thursday evening and in >>always the same hotels or... >> >>- A real and sportive competition with the absolute domination of the programs >>plus machines on their own and results that have some meaning and significance. >> >>Just to avoid a typical misunderstanding, I want to add that to prove the class >>of Rybka nobody had needed such an exhibition. And I am really astonished how >>the description of the details of proceduring in Paderborn decreased the meaning >>of the results we discussed so heatedly here on CCC and I am possibly the only >>one to comment on the apparent split. How could we dare to discuss so deeply >>certain moves of particular games if for example in Paderborn an agreement >>prevented any attempts to go into "dirty" mode - which is part of every modern >>sport?! I had the impression that we here made a proxy competition in debating >>things out of a so-called real life competition held in cotton-wool gloves... ;) >> >>> >>> >>>>The bug was no problem in CEGT because the interface adjudicates the result >>>>based on evaluations but it could be a problem in real games. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>>Ernst. > >Ok you are probably right about this, and perhap there will be a dirty mode >competition at the next WCCC. But then again when this would be at hand I >wouldn't be operating any competitive program at all LOL. Maybe i was too naive >to see no problem doing this at Paderborn and won't be doing it again in the >future. > >Food for thought. > >I would have no problem if others tried to exploid Rybka's weaknesses and >honestly I expected it to happen. > >Ernst. Thanks for your honest answer. And I hope that you know that I never aimed at YOU personally. Your engagement this time was high-classed for all of us. And almost everyone had fun to follow the games if time was available. I always like to point at something basical.
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