Author: Michael Ginat
Date: 10:34:52 05/06/99
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On May 05, 1999 at 12:37:01, KarinsDad wrote: >On May 05, 1999 at 11:52:39, Michael Ginat wrote: > >>I am serious enough about the Turing test comment. Ken Thompson was there to >>oversee the match and make sure that DB was on the up-and-up. Or is he part of >>the cover-up scam too? Last I heard, he doesn't take his paycheck from IBM. >> >>GMs like Kasparov (and Karpov, and Botwinnik, and a lot of other strong players) >>fix games all the time. Maybe this has something to do with why after losing he >>is so ready to point fingers. >> >>Dave >> >>That's an interesting comment - I think it's documented that Karpov and >>Botwinnik fixed games, probably due to pressure from the Soviet regime even if >>it's still inexcusable. But Kasparov? And others? Where did you get that >>information? >> >>In any case I agree that Kasparov does tend to make sweeping statements, but it >>would be interesting if IBM let an expert examine the logs to prove or disprove >>his allegations. >> >>Michael > >Hello Michael, > >I think that it is a well documented fact that players do not always play for a >win. If you do not play for a win, are you not in a way, fixing the result of >the game? You are preventing yourself from winning. It is not a guaranteed draw, >but if you play for a draw, you are not playing for a win. At the GM and superGM >level, this type of thing happens all of the time. Miles and Reuben have the >record for the shortest game ever when they agreed to a draw without making a >move. > >When I sit down to play chess, I play for a win every time (of course at my >level of play, this rarely happens). > >When you resigned from the Colorado Closed, did you not improve the chances of >all of the other players. Hence, you partially fixed the results (you prevented >Michael from winning the tournament if nothing else). *** Oh please, that's not fixing!! You have to play a game for it to be a fix! > >I guess it is a matter of degree. A fix implies a set result, but that result >does not have to be a win/loss, it could be a draw/draw. > >Something to think about. > >KarinsDad :) Hi Karinsdad, My point was that serious "fixing" occurred with Karpov and Botwinnik. For example Bronstein apparently could have won his match but was warned not to, and Karpov used to play in tournaments with a certain GM who would lose to him and try to beat Karpov's main rivals. GM draws are a different matter, I don't think it's the same thing and I don;t condone it either. Maybe Miles agreed to a draw because both he and his opponent had no chance in the tournament and they wanted a rest day. I've seen Miles play and he usually is a real fighter. Anyway sorry for the off topic remarks. By the way I also always play to win :)
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