Computer Chess Club Archives




Subject: I'm not convinced, Bruce.

Author: Roger D Davis

Date: 02:14:22 07/23/99

Go up one level in this thread

On July 23, 1999 at 04:28:50, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On July 23, 1999 at 02:42:34, hgkjhg wrote:
>>you said Fernando's post was offensive, but even Bruce said it wasn't.  He just
>>didn't find it interesting; so he decided it took too much space here.  Fernando
>>also referred that if someone posted a stupid message, than everyone should just
>>ignore it, that would be a proof that his message is really inappropriate.  And
>>i don't see anything wrong with Fernando's message at all.  Bruce said that
>>messages with subjects like fuck u should be deleted right away, but this
>>message had nothing similar to that.  I find it more offensive to just erase a
>>message in your face.  And you can't always talk about mtd and other stuff like
>>that here - many people here don't even know how to play chess.
>>There must be really something wrong with u if u find it cool to just sit all
>>night long here and delete someone's messages.  You would've probably deleted
>>his message if he wrote how much he regretted JFK's death.  When i stay up on
>>the internet all night, i find it more amusing to visit adult sites, than bug
>>someone.  I wanted to say so much more, but it's so late that i forgot what to
>I'm not sure where you got these ideas.
>When I saw Fernando's post it was immediately obvious that if I left it, the
>next morning there would be at least one email from a member complaining about
>the post.  The complaint would suggest that that kind of post didn't belong in
>the group.  It would ask that the post be deleted.  It would express confusion
>as to why anyone would think that such a post belonged here.  And this person
>might reply to the post, expressing similar sentiments in the group, etc.
>I don't think that it is too strict to say that CCC shouldn't become the dirty
>joke forum, is it?

I think perhaps people can disagree intelligently about deleting Fernando's post
without agreeing that CCC should become a dirty joke forum.

As I noted in a reply to KarinsDad, the issue is how it was done, not the post

If it was obvious that there would have been complaints, then IMHO, you should
have left it. Then you could have argued that the post needed to be brought to
the attention of the CCC forum at large, since people are complaining, and
because CCC has heretofore lacked a mechanism whereby moderators moderate each

If you had asked what the group wanted to do, the group would have come to some
consensus, and that consensus might well have reigned in the rogue moderator, or
not. Fernando might still have resighed. Either way, the result would not have
been your action and not your responsibility, but that of the group. You would
have been applauded for your democratic principles, and there would have been no
appearance of presumptuousness.

My position is that the content of Fernando's post is irrelevant, since CCC
lacked (and still lacks) an explicit mechanism whereby the moderators can
moderate themselves in a principled way in which personal popularity can never
play a role (with this last sentence, I'm trying to make an abstract point,
here, not point a finger, by the way).

Now, however, it appears that we have two moderators instead of three, and you
and KarinsDad have more work to do, and we still need an explicit mechanism
whereby the moderators can moderate themselves without any appearance of an
abuse of power.


This page took 0.01 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.