Author: Christopher R. Dorr
Date: 07:25:53 12/09/99
Go up one level in this thread
On December 08, 1999 at 23:12:29, James B. Shearer wrote: >On December 08, 1999 at 16:41:24, John Warfield wrote: > >> >> One of the Arguments used by those who advocate that Programs are not GM >>Strength is that Programs lose to 2200 players or less, whereas sopposedly GM's >>don't. I want to debunk this view by presenting this game played at the national >>open where six time U.S Champion Walter Browne gets crushed by a 2070!! Player. >>There are many other such games. Just where people are getting the ideal that >>grandmasters don't lose to lower rated players escapes me completely. >> >> >>[Event "U.S Open"] >>[Site "U.s "] >>[Date "1999.12.08"] >>[Round "?"] >>[White "GM Walter Brown "] >>[Black "Lawrence Stevens "] >>[Result "0-1"] >>[WhiteElo "2500"] >>[BlackElo "2046"] >>[ECO "D20"] >> > > Browne is probably well over the hill and may no longer be of GM >strength. The 2500 looks suspiciously like a courtesy rating. > But I agree upsets happen. > James B. Shearer Are you nuts?!?! Browne is *positively* not over the hill, and is still quite strong GM strength. I've watched his games enough at big tourneys like the National Open to be able to say he is still *very* strong. His rating is not a 'courtesy' rating; he is still one of the top players in the U.S. I feel that is is quite disrespectful to make a statement such as the above about an obviously powerful player, based simply on one game. One of the points of the poster was that strong players *do* lose to 2200 and below players. It doesn't diminish the strength of the GM. they can have bad days, and 2100-2200 USCF players can play quite well sometimes. I myself (2200 on ICC, 2150 USCF) have beaten several GM's at blitz (including Roman), and drawn 2650 GM's and beaten 2500 IM's at tournament times. It doesn't mean they are 'weak' or 'over the hill'. It means they are human, and fallable, and that a 'pretty good' player is capable of exploiting this on occasion. Christopher Dorr USCF Master
This page took 0 seconds to execute
Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700
Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.