Author: Côme
Date: 06:25:02 02/15/00
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On February 15, 2000 at 08:53:27, blass uri wrote: >On February 15, 2000 at 07:16:12, Côme wrote: > >>On February 15, 2000 at 06:16:27, blass uri wrote: >> >>>On February 15, 2000 at 05:51:31, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>> I wonder if it will eventually be discovered that chess is not absolute, >>>>and that a human will therefore always be able to beat a machine by playing >>>>exactly against the weaker points of that particular machines style-everything >>>>else being to perfection? >>>> Maybe chess isn't an exacting art-absolutely? >>>> Stuart Taylor >>> >>>If the machine has no weak points then it is impossible to play exactly against >>>the weaker points of the machine and there is no reason to assume that it is >>>impossible to do a machine with no weak points. >>> >>>Today there is no machine with no weaks points and there is no machine that can >>>pass the turing test(every machine can do positional mistakes that I do not >>>expect humans even with 1800 elo rating to do) but it is practically impossible >>>for most of the humans to play exactly against the weaker points of the machine >>>because you cannot go practically to the positions that the machine does not >>>understand. >>> >>>Uri >> >>Hello Uri, >>I don't agree with you Uri ! >>It's not so hard to play against weaks points of machine ! >>Best Regards >>Alexandre Côme > >Hello Alexandre, >If it is not so hard then what is the reason that these machines can beat more >than 99% of the humans with rating above 1600? > >There are positions when the machines are stupid and humans knows about them(for >example programs do not understand fortress positions when one side has a big >material advantage) but you usually cannot go for these position in >a practical game. > >Uri Hello Uri, Ok you must be stronger than 1600 to play against weaks points of machines. :-) There are really a lot of positions when the machines are stupid and IMHO machines will not be never stronger than humans. Best Regards Alexandre Côme
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