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Subject: Re: Has anyone Read Michael Adams Response to the Deep Jr. Fiasco?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 14:36:30 02/29/00

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On February 29, 2000 at 08:54:18, Terry Presgrove wrote:

>On February 29, 2000 at 05:46:29, Martin wrote:
>
>>On February 28, 2000 at 22:06:37, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On February 28, 2000 at 21:55:47, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:30:28, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On February 28, 2000 at 20:25:29, Derrick Williams wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  At the this week in chess site, a letter is displayed by michael Adams
>>>>>>explaining the circumstances surounding the Deep blue Scandal, It appears that
>>>>>>Michael Adams is attempting to shift the blame away from himself, on to the
>>>>>>victims, which was Clearly Amir Ban and his partner Shay.  I believe this only
>>>>>>adds insult to injury, Mr. Adams ought to be ashamed of himself.
>>>>>
>>>>>Here is the "open letter":
>>>>>http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/adams.html
>>>>
>>>>It sounds to me like Adams was simply "caught in the middle of a bad
>>>>situation."  It doesn't sound (to me) as though he had any real sort of
>>>>agenda to cause a problem... I think that the organizers simply had way too
>>>>much incompetence to let the event run smoothly...  This kind of nonsense was
>>>>inevitable...
>>>
>>>I think you are right, but I think that Mr. Adams now blames Amir and Shay.  A
>>>typical example of "blaming the victom" if I ever saw one.  I don't think Adams
>>>is at fault either.  But I do fault his derision of Amir, who was (I think)
>>>stuck in the middle far worse than anyone else -- especially considering the
>>>outcome.
>>
>>Well, it was Amir and Shay who blamed Mickey shortly after the event. And this
>>is certainly not fair either.
>>
>>Martin
>
> Perhaps you are rigtht that Adam's received to much early criticism. But the
> fact remains he could have played the second game. Mig gave him the opportunity
> to bail out and that is exactly what he did. Had it been another GM the offer
> would not have been on the table.
> It would not surprise me if we do not hear much more on this issue from the DJ
> team. There has to be a tremendous amount of pressure on them to let this die.
> Except for Dr. Hyatt's strong criticism in the non-commercial arena and one
> post by Ed Shroeder of Rebel chidding Mig for making a bad decision I am not
> aware of any commercial programmer coming to the DJ team's defense (please
> correct me it I'm wrong). It may very well be that in the long scheme of thngs
> this is the best course for those envolved in the developement of Chess
> software. But I suggest that if it had happened to any one of the others (that
> have not spoken) they would have reacted somewhat differently than we have
> seen. I understand that the GM's hold all the cards on this issue and the
> programmers are to a large degree at their mercy, but there is no gray area in
> the fact that KC (Mig) screwed the DJ team and this whole episode has left a
> very bad taste in allot of people's mouths. I suspect that this issue will
> quickly fade as we draw closer to the next matches and hopefully the end of a
> very bad episode in computer chess.
>
>  TP


The only danger is criticizing the wrong entity.  IE when two people are at
odds in the way they think things happened, there are two logical explanations:

(1) one of them is mistaken, or intentionally distorting facts.

(2) there is someone _between_ them that is producing the confusion.

In this case, evidence suggests that it was the 'middleware' that failed,
for a host of reasons, from lack of forsight, to poor communication, to
flawed reasoning.  As a result, the Junior team and Adams are caught on the
outside looking in.  It would be easy to be wrong here.  But I think the
problem was not on either end, but directly in the middle.  And I am not
talking about the 'network' either. :)



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