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Subject: Re: I believe Xie.

Author: Tina Long

Date: 20:05:35 03/23/00

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I agree with Roger, & add: this was all happening in the middle of the night for
Xie Jun, waiting around for an hour to start a five hour game, after playing
during the day, in a "proper" tournament, and going back there the following
day.

Sooner or later you've got to say "F#$% This!" and go to bed.

Tina Long

On March 23, 2000 at 19:27:22, Roger wrote:

>I think her faith in KK was damaged at the beginning, when they failed to honor
>their contract with her, and was damaged more and more as the games degenerated
>into the absurd. Eventually I think she doubted even that a computer was really
>playing. She may also have felt that since they'd had so much trouble with the
>connection (in her mind, it was a KK problem), they might just have a human play
>not to embarass themselves more. Eventually, trust changed to complete distrust,
>and she wanted out of the games.
>
>Raj
>
>
>On March 23, 2000 at 18:33:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On March 23, 2000 at 07:49:02, Tina Long wrote:
>>
>>>On March 23, 2000 at 07:37:50, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 23, 2000 at 03:26:05, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I just think she should have continued the match via telephone. I basically
>>>>>don't understand her reason not to. I mean, yes, using the telephone is sort of
>>>>>a breach of contract, it is something that was not agreed upon, it is changing a
>>>>>situation that is already messed up.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, how could using the phone possibly mess up the situation any more than
>>>>>it already was? And it's not like using a phone is rocket science. It would not
>>>>>have made anything more complicated. On the contrary, it would have simplified
>>>>>everything and made it work. But oh well.
>>>>
>>>>Who was the independent observer at the other end? If there wasn't any then I
>>>>can't see why she should agree to play over the phone.
>>>>
>>>>Best wishes...
>>>>Mogens
>>>
>>>That was a point that Xie Jun made.  It seems she believed, possibly
>>>erroneously, that while on the internet she was connected directly to Deep
>>>Junior (isn't that how internet chess like Yahoo & ICC & FIC's work?).  On the
>>>Telephone there was a human at the other end betwen her and DJ, and she could
>>>not be 100% sure that the moves and times she received were DJ's.
>>>
>>>Anyway, it's finished.
>>>What's next?
>>>
>>>Tina Long
>>
>>
>>I don't buy that argument.  She may have felt 'abused' or whatever.  She may
>>have felt (apparently justifiably I might add) that KK was totally incompetent
>>and that they could not repair the situation enough to make it viable.  But to
>>say she couldn't be 100% sure that the computer was on the other end is total
>>nonsense.  How could she _possibly_ be sure she was playing DJ?  Answer:  She
>>couldn't.  The only way to be 100% sure is to play _in person_.  So while she
>>had plenty to grumble about, this isn't legitimate.



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