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Subject: Re: Crafty vs Commercials

Author: blass uri

Date: 10:42:15 04/07/00

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On April 07, 2000 at 12:51:28, Jorge Pichard wrote:

>On April 07, 2000 at 00:03:34, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On April 06, 2000 at 22:32:29, James T. Walker wrote:
>>
>>>On April 06, 2000 at 18:07:32, Jeremiah Penery wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 06, 2000 at 15:51:44, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 06, 2000 at 10:59:33, James T. Walker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have started a series of matches using the Crafty 17.07 of Chessbase site vs
>>>>>>the commercial programs 1. Fritz 6   2. Junior 6   Chess Tiger 12.0e   3. Hiarcs
>>>>>>7.32.  The commercial programs will be running on a PII-333 and Crafty is
>>>>>>running on a K6-3-450.  All programs will be given 64 Meg for hash tables.  All
>>>>>>will be using their own book except for Crafty which I gave the General.ctg book
>>>>>>of Fritz 5.32.  Following is the first 6 games Crafty 17.07 vs Fritz 6.  All
>>>>>>time controls will be 40/2 + 20/1 + G/30.
>>>>
>>>><SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>>Since there is a big difference in hardware and I see that you are pitting for
>>>>>example Fritz 6 against Crafty 17.07 a least twice, I strongly recommend you to
>>>>>switch computer and allow fritz 6 and Junior 6 to use the AMD K6 III 450 Mhz,
>>>>>and crafty 17.07 to use the Pentium 333, then the comparison is considered
>>>>>equal.
>>>>
>>>>There is not a big advantage in hardware.  For Crafty, a K62-450 runs almost at
>>>>the same speed as a PII-333.  If you switched hardware, Crafty would run at the
>>>>same speed, but Fritz/Junior/etc. would have the hardware advantage.
>>>
>>>Just for your information, I'm running Crafty on a K6-3-450 and Crafty is almost
>>>50% faster than on the PII-333.  That still is only about 40 ELO points max.
>>>Jim Walker
>>
>>
>>K6 3 is significantly better than the K6 2...
>
>Just to show you the difference of AMD K6 III 450 over Pentium II and III
>I have these Fritzmark figures with F6a and 64 MB hash:
>
>PII -333 320 KN/S
>PIII-500 475 KN/S
>PIII-550 515 KN/S
>
>AMDK6  II 450 452 KN/S
>AMDK6 III 450 480 KN/S
>
>As you can tell there is a big advantage in hardware when you pit Crafty 17.07
>against Fritz 6a using a PII-333 the difference is enourmous exactly 160 KN/S
>more.

Your data does not prove advantage in hardware because fritz mark are relevant
for Fritz5.32 and not for Fritz6a or crafty.

Your data only proves that Fritz5.32 does not like pII-333.

Uri



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