Author: Jason Williamson
Date: 22:03:25 04/15/00
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On April 16, 2000 at 00:12:11, Christophe Theron wrote: >On April 15, 2000 at 23:27:19, Jason Williamson wrote: > >>On April 15, 2000 at 22:24:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 15, 2000 at 18:28:48, Marcos Christensen wrote: >>> >>>>On April 15, 2000 at 17:58:01, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 17:14:56, Borges wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 16:18:04, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 15:56:18, Borges wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 12:44:40, Christophe Theron wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Christophe! >>>>>>>> I ran an account in ICC, and was able to get more than 3000 points, with no >>>>>>>>special hardware. The interesting is that it rans with default settings. It >>>>>>>>appers no coincidence that when i put NSEW=1 and MoreSel=1 tiger became weak >>>>>>>>(IMHO). The hashtable I have to set up with 32M in 3 0 games and 64M in 5 0 >>>>>>>>games, less than this will result in odd endgames, when tiger sometimes put away >>>>>>>>a victory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>You should really check this carefully. Using 32Mb in 3 0 games kills the >>>>>>>playing strength, I'm sure about this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christophe >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually I prefer to play with 3 0 time controls, I think that the best >>>>>>evaluation of Chess Tiger makes the difference. It (or he) appears to smokes >>>>>>everybody. The contempt value, that is useful, to clean a closed position set to >>>>>>-15 or -20 is helpful. The only colateral effect of this is probably being >>>>>>noplayed by crafty ;-) But a BOOK editor will make difference. >>>>>> Congratulation for your program, probably better than you think (intended to >>>>>>be a joke). >>>>>> Borges >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The only way to get noplayed by crafty is to not read the finger notes. If >>>>>you can read, you can play it. Feel free. If you can't read, then you will >>>>>likely get noplayed. >>>>> >>>>>But it will have _nothing_ to do with your contempt factor or whatever... >>>> >>>> My grandmother used to say: if you cannot stand the heat get out of the >>>>kitchen, or, write fi notes. At least singacrafty and data are less greedy about >>>>rating points. >>>> >>>> Best wishes >>>> Borges >>> >>> >>>My grandfather used to say "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool >>>than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." My finger notes are quite >>>clear. It is not my intention to play nothing but games vs a single program. >>>With the manual programs, this has never been a problem, as the operators need >>>a break after a few games. But since Tiger is automatic, it became a problem >>>in that all I would see was games vs tiger. That doesn't help me detect or >>>fix problems, and since I am writing this program, I reserve the right to test >>>it however I want to get maximum benefit from the testing. I'd _much_ rather >>>play 100 games vs GM players (as it has the past few days) vs 100 games against >>>a single chess program. If I thought _that_ was important I would simply buy a >>>copy of tiger and play the games offline rather than on a server. >>> >>>My opinion, my choice. I don't see why a "non-author" would want to take pot >>>shots at what _I_ want to do. In any case, I am old enough to do what I want, >>>when I want, how I want... >> >>It baffles me how people can complain about anything. I mean, it is your right >>to determine how you want to set up your account. I mean, not only is it your >>account, you wrote the damn program. If you wanted it to play only humans >>everyday and take sundays off to play with its self, then that would be your >>right. But I think like suckers, there are idiots born every minute too, and >>the people that complain and accuse people of being greedy about rating points >>are, well, quite idiotic. Bob's crafty won't be getting invites to Linares >>because of his 3100 rating. I doubt Kasparov will be lining up to play a world >>championship match due to it (too bad! :)))) ) and sitting on top of the ICC >>rating list won't make extra sales for the engine since it is free. So, pray >>tell, what point would there be of being greedy? >> >>Before Rebel Tiger came out, Dr. Hyatt was quite flexible about which computer >>would play it, as long as its not a crafty, now that you have all these >>2400,2500 type comp accounts playing with this new automated strong engine, you >>have a rather narrow formula. >> >>Lastly, personally I can not understand why (and this doesn't apply to you >>possibly) some owner of commercial engines would take enjoyment of playing 14 >>games in a row against an engine (winning 12) and taking these rating points. >>Who are the greedy people in this instance. >> >>Jason >> >>PS My above statements are not directed at the engine but rather some of the >>people who use it online and act like twits. > > > >That's how I read it, because personally I have never logged on ICC. I do not >even know how it works. > >I'm sorry that people play too many games against Crafty with Rebel-Tiger, but >that's totally out of my control. > > > Christophe Of course its out of your control. If you could write a program that prevented people from being twits you would have a fortune that would rival Bill Gates. :)))
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