Author: Marcos Christensen
Date: 05:08:58 04/16/00
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On April 16, 2000 at 01:03:25, Jason Williamson wrote:
>On April 16, 2000 at 00:12:11, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On April 15, 2000 at 23:27:19, Jason Williamson wrote:
>>
>>>On April 15, 2000 at 22:24:23, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 18:28:48, Marcos Christensen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 17:58:01, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 17:14:56, Borges wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 16:18:04, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 15:56:18, Borges wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On April 15, 2000 at 12:44:40, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Christophe!
>>>>>>>>> I ran an account in ICC, and was able to get more than 3000 points, with no
>>>>>>>>>special hardware. The interesting is that it rans with default settings. It
>>>>>>>>>appers no coincidence that when i put NSEW=1 and MoreSel=1 tiger became weak
>>>>>>>>>(IMHO). The hashtable I have to set up with 32M in 3 0 games and 64M in 5 0
>>>>>>>>>games, less than this will result in odd endgames, when tiger sometimes put away
>>>>>>>>>a victory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You should really check this carefully. Using 32Mb in 3 0 games kills the
>>>>>>>>playing strength, I'm sure about this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Christophe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I prefer to play with 3 0 time controls, I think that the best
>>>>>>>evaluation of Chess Tiger makes the difference. It (or he) appears to smokes
>>>>>>>everybody. The contempt value, that is useful, to clean a closed position set to
>>>>>>>-15 or -20 is helpful. The only colateral effect of this is probably being
>>>>>>>noplayed by crafty ;-) But a BOOK editor will make difference.
>>>>>>> Congratulation for your program, probably better than you think (intended to
>>>>>>>be a joke).
>>>>>>> Borges
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only way to get noplayed by crafty is to not read the finger notes. If
>>>>>>you can read, you can play it. Feel free. If you can't read, then you will
>>>>>>likely get noplayed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But it will have _nothing_ to do with your contempt factor or whatever...
>>>>>
>>>>> My grandmother used to say: if you cannot stand the heat get out of the
>>>>>kitchen, or, write fi notes. At least singacrafty and data are less greedy about
>>>>>rating points.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Borges
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>My grandfather used to say "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool
>>>>than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." My finger notes are quite
>>>>clear. It is not my intention to play nothing but games vs a single program.
>>>>With the manual programs, this has never been a problem, as the operators need
>>>>a break after a few games. But since Tiger is automatic, it became a problem
>>>>in that all I would see was games vs tiger. That doesn't help me detect or
>>>>fix problems, and since I am writing this program, I reserve the right to test
>>>>it however I want to get maximum benefit from the testing. I'd _much_ rather
>>>>play 100 games vs GM players (as it has the past few days) vs 100 games against
>>>>a single chess program. If I thought _that_ was important I would simply buy a
>>>>copy of tiger and play the games offline rather than on a server.
>>>>
>>>>My opinion, my choice. I don't see why a "non-author" would want to take pot
>>>>shots at what _I_ want to do. In any case, I am old enough to do what I want,
>>>>when I want, how I want...
>>>
>>>It baffles me how people can complain about anything. I mean, it is your right
>>>to determine how you want to set up your account. I mean, not only is it your
>>>account, you wrote the damn program. If you wanted it to play only humans
>>>everyday and take sundays off to play with its self, then that would be your
>>>right. But I think like suckers, there are idiots born every minute too, and
>>>the people that complain and accuse people of being greedy about rating points
>>>are, well, quite idiotic. Bob's crafty won't be getting invites to Linares
>>>because of his 3100 rating. I doubt Kasparov will be lining up to play a world
>>>championship match due to it (too bad! :)))) ) and sitting on top of the ICC
>>>rating list won't make extra sales for the engine since it is free. So, pray
>>>tell, what point would there be of being greedy?
>>>
>>>Before Rebel Tiger came out, Dr. Hyatt was quite flexible about which computer
>>>would play it, as long as its not a crafty, now that you have all these
>>>2400,2500 type comp accounts playing with this new automated strong engine, you
>>>have a rather narrow formula.
>>>
>>>Lastly, personally I can not understand why (and this doesn't apply to you
>>>possibly) some owner of commercial engines would take enjoyment of playing 14
>>>games in a row against an engine (winning 12) and taking these rating points.
>>>Who are the greedy people in this instance.
>>>
>>>Jason
>>>
>>>PS My above statements are not directed at the engine but rather some of the
>>>people who use it online and act like twits.
>>
>>
>>
>>That's how I read it, because personally I have never logged on ICC. I do not
>>even know how it works.
>>
>>I'm sorry that people play too many games against Crafty with Rebel-Tiger, but
>>that's totally out of my control.
>>
>>
>> Christophe
>
>Of course its out of your control. If you could write a program that prevented
>people from being twits you would have a fortune that would rival Bill Gates.
>:)))
Hi!
In the thread above I was talking to Mr. Theron about what is supposed to be
the best settings for his engine. I am not a author, but since this is a OPEN
forum, sponsored by a company that SELLS chess related things, being an author
or not is not supposed to be a problem.
But is clear that 'en passant' my post touches an open wound in the crafty
author. Even you Jason 'the bodyguard' Williamson must have noted that. Why a
simple mention to the crafty policies raises that anger? If developing a strong
engine was important why he +noplayed Amir Ban? Isn't junior strong enough to
play crafty? If rating points weren't important why he +noplayed John Stanback
when zarkov was +-2700? Of course he does what he wants, when he wants...
because he is an old man. I hope that the above helps to raise a little doubt in
you mind and prevent you from acting like "crafty zombie".
The rest of the posts, I will answer later. Today is Sunday.
Yours in spirit
Marcos Christensen
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