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Subject: Re: Chessfun and Nunn1 Tests

Author: Chessfun

Date: 20:04:43 05/11/00

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On May 11, 2000 at 18:20:44, Mogens Larsen wrote:

>On May 11, 2000 at 17:14:03, Chessfun wrote:
>
>>Oh I see I have no idea....really.....Do you know the time control
>>Jouni used?.
>
>I have a pretty good idea about the timecontrol he used. Why?


Just that it was implied that I had no idea, when in fact I know
the time control he used.


>I would like to, but there's a seven day limit for retrievement of previous
>messages. Try mailing him. Regarding learning off with F6, I would suggest
>reading the manual, since I don't own a copy of F6. You've mailed Chessbase
>before, so why not try it again?


I have had F6 since it came out, have read the manual and see no way
for it to be turned off. OTOH if by default it is on where this saved
learning goes I have no idea. I am curious and will email Mathias to see
what he can tell me.....I will post his reply.

I also sought out Jouni's post:108723
"I test with LG2000 (and other engines) with learn off always."

Assuming this means position learning lets see if he can explain
how he manages to do this.


>>F6 has no LRN file as Nimzo does. Note also Crafty 17-10 for Chessbase
>>has no position.LRN file nor a *.rc file or any of the standard Crafty
>>files and that all files associated with the eng still bear the original
>>dates.
>
>That I did understand and it does makes it somewhat difficult AFAICT.


As suggested by Uri you can check the parameters but this I had already
done previously when Christophe and Dr. Hyatt had a few posts on the
subject of learning. And there is no on or off button.


>>So please explain to me how to turn this off, since if Jouni posted it
>>was off you must have asked him how....or is this another you took at
>>face value like the taskinfo2000 producing same engine ponder in one machine.

>Yes, you're right, I should have asked him about that too. Anything else?
>Producing same engine ponder in one machine? I suggested that ponder on on one
>machine could be tested with Taskinfo if anyone was interested. I mentioned it
>in my mail to you and listed the link at CCC.


True you suggested it and I believe Pavel (not sure) then posted that
it checked out ok. To which again I checked it and found it a problem
which he then agreed with.


>>Ok then since you consider these tests about the normal tourney? they are
>>obviously not above the SSDF results. I saw no post from you on the issue
>>of the SSDF posting while playing nor Junior 5 using Junior 6's book. Saw
>>no post questioning their variables or even asking any question of their
>>variables.
>
>Unfortunately they are not as forthcoming with information as you are regarding
>their tests. Therefore any questions on my part would be pure speculation and
>answers unverifiable. I'm sure Blass Uri is more qualified than I regarding SSDF
>matters. Please note that I didn't (at least to my recollection) complain about
>you Easter Tourney, except maybe disappointment with the performance of SOS.


True you never mentioned my Easter Tourney, but by your own post
earlier today that was just a tourney.

As far as the SSDF goes you say above you would be speculating about the SSDF
and yet in another post in reply to my "I dare say not much difference
between what I was doing and how the SSDF test."

You wrote in post:
http://site2936.dellhost.com/forums/1/message.shtml?109341
Which I never adressed till now :-)

"Since the tests were so clinical, how come you haven't got _any_
comparable data whatsoever? Comparing your own test to the ones made by SSDF,
reveals ignorance concerning the work effort invested by the members of the
SSDF,
which I find distasteful. Like your test, your sense of proportion needs to be
calibrated correctly."

And now you write:
"Unfortunately they are not as forthcoming with information as you are
regarding their tests"
Does this also reveal your own ignorance of the work of the SSDF
.... and do you find this equally distasteful?.


Thanks.



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