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Subject: Re: Junior's long lines: more data about this....

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 11:16:30 12/26/97

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>Perhaps they are doing heavy pruning on the computers moves?  If you
>modify the selectivity such that much heavier pruning takes place
>on the computers side you might arrarnge extra depth that results in
>play that is safe but not opportunistic for the computer.


Right. Pruning is ONE explanation.


>I remember Richard Langs programs USED to have the characteristic
>that they would see anything you could do to them.   In some experiments
>me and Larry Kaufman did,  it would quickly see that you could win
>a piece and avoid the loss.   But if you forced the piece losing move
>and let it think for the winning side, it could not find the win without
>a very long think!   Very strange.  But this was the best program in the
>world and pehaps still is.

Exactly. But Richard did it with asymmetrie.
The plies 1,3,5,7,9,... were very much pruned and genius followed only
the best 4 or 5 branches and the moves 2,4,6,8,... were looked
brute-force.
This gave him some extra plies and more look-ahead than his opponent
programs at this time.
With the invention of null-move his advantage was melted because the
null-move algorithm was as effective as his asymmetrie ! Also his
assymmetrrie caused boring style due to the fact that genius played in
the plies 1,3,5,7,... often NOT THE BEST move.
>
>But this makes some sense to me.  I don't think a single chess game has
>ever been won without an error on the losing side.   If your program
>NEVER made an error (you wish!) it would never lose (unless of course
>the opening position is a loss for one side or the other.)
>
>I have known people who play like this too.  They would be paranoid
>about their half of the board and never take even slight risks for
>a chance to win.  Often these players did quite well although they
>played boring chess.  I've even seen their opponents walk away in
>disgust!   But these players often got very good results.  It's
>up to their opponents to prove there is something wrong with this
>style.

Right.

I am looking forward to study Junior ! Hi Amir ! We will find it out !!
:-)


>
>
>-- Don



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