Author: Chris Taylor
Date: 14:02:38 12/07/00
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On December 07, 2000 at 14:16:04, Christophe Theron wrote: >On December 07, 2000 at 06:16:59, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: > >>On December 06, 2000 at 21:08:54, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On December 06, 2000 at 14:57:34, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Thanks for playing this games. >>>> >>>>Before you continue with Shredder I ask you to download the patch I have put on >>>>our homepage today. There is a bug in the book learning in Shredder5 which gets >>>>fixed by the patch. >>>> >>>>Stefan >>>> >>>> >>>Do you really mean to say that that might have been the whole reason why CTs >>>results got better as the match progressed? >> >>No. >> >> >>> I think that both the opening book competition and the learning component are >>>artificial ways of gaining points, and spoil the true evaluation of playing >>>strength. >> >>Yes, but the book and all the learning stuff are part of the program. >> >>Stefan > > > >That's right. Every program nowadays has a book designed specially for it, and a >learning system in order to block the opponent from replaying won games. > >The book and the learning are weapons, but everybody has them now, so they just >counter each other and in the end we are back at evaluating real engine >strength. Actually a much better book can make a significant difference, but in >the case of Tiger and Shredder the books have been written by the best authors >you can find, so I don't expect a big difference in quality between them. > >The book and the learning system will hurt mainly programs that have a poor book >(or an old one) and no learning at all. That is, it will hurt only older >programs. > > > > > >>> Fscher randoms, and no-book openings, and equal number of K-pawn and Q-pawn >>>openings (both book, and no -book) and equally for each colour should be >>>included in tests (and, entire proccess should even be repeated at Tournament, >>>Rapid and Blitz-equally) >>>S.Taylor > > > >That's a good idea, and it would be nice if you could do these kind of tests. >I'm very interested in the results. My guess is that you are going to discover >that the results will be approximately the same than with the standard way of >testing (books ON). > > > > Christophe I would not mind running a Fischer random auto232 at 60 mins blitz. It I could do such a thing with all the different programs! Or even a themed opening. See how the programs play in say a Caro, or Budapest..... Chris Taylor
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