Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 14:39:38 12/07/00
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On December 07, 2000 at 17:02:38, Chris Taylor wrote: >On December 07, 2000 at 14:16:04, Christophe Theron wrote: > >>On December 07, 2000 at 06:16:59, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >> >>>On December 06, 2000 at 21:08:54, stuart taylor wrote: >>> >>>>On December 06, 2000 at 14:57:34, Stefan Meyer-Kahlen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for playing this games. >>>>> >>>>>Before you continue with Shredder I ask you to download the patch I have put on >>>>>our homepage today. There is a bug in the book learning in Shredder5 which gets >>>>>fixed by the patch. >>>>> >>>>>Stefan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Do you really mean to say that that might have been the whole reason why CTs >>>>results got better as the match progressed? >>> >>>No. >>> >>> >>>> I think that both the opening book competition and the learning component are >>>>artificial ways of gaining points, and spoil the true evaluation of playing >>>>strength. >>> >>>Yes, but the book and all the learning stuff are part of the program. >>> >>>Stefan >> >> >> >>That's right. Every program nowadays has a book designed specially for it, and a >>learning system in order to block the opponent from replaying won games. >> >>The book and the learning are weapons, but everybody has them now, so they just >>counter each other and in the end we are back at evaluating real engine >>strength. Actually a much better book can make a significant difference, but in >>the case of Tiger and Shredder the books have been written by the best authors >>you can find, so I don't expect a big difference in quality between them. >> >>The book and the learning system will hurt mainly programs that have a poor book >>(or an old one) and no learning at all. That is, it will hurt only older >>programs. >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Fscher randoms, and no-book openings, and equal number of K-pawn and Q-pawn >>>>openings (both book, and no -book) and equally for each colour should be >>>>included in tests (and, entire proccess should even be repeated at Tournament, >>>>Rapid and Blitz-equally) >>>>S.Taylor >> >> >> >>That's a good idea, and it would be nice if you could do these kind of tests. >>I'm very interested in the results. My guess is that you are going to discover >>that the results will be approximately the same than with the standard way of >>testing (books ON). >> >> >> >> Christophe > >I would not mind running a Fischer random auto232 at 60 mins blitz. It I could >do such a thing with all the different programs! >Or even a themed opening. >See how the programs play in say a Caro, or Budapest..... I'd prefer anything but Fischer random. Stefan
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