Author: Chessfun
Date: 02:17:41 05/20/01
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On May 20, 2001 at 03:51:34, stuart taylor wrote: >On May 20, 2001 at 03:38:30, Peter Berger wrote: > >>On May 20, 2001 at 03:18:56, stuart taylor wrote: >> >>>On May 19, 2001 at 22:24:21, John Dahlem wrote: >>> >>>>On May 19, 2001 at 21:51:18, stuart taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 19, 2001 at 21:28:25, Eric Tom wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 19, 2001 at 19:06:11, stuart taylor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 19, 2001 at 15:34:15, william penn wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>i suspect that cm6555 would still score among the top three, even against the >>>>>>>>best and newest programs. Cm8000 is a rip-off since there is a noticable >>>>>>>>decrease in strength from the previous more strong version 6000 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On what do you base that? >>>>>>>And is it stronger than 6000 or 7000? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And if it is a rip off, can there be any compensation, or money-back? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>S.Taylor >>>>>> >>>>>>Compensation? Maybe the recent amazing personalities, such as CMUtzinger and >>>>>>CMFun can compensate, I don't know. I've recently fell in love with >>>>>>CM8_Bendorz. >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards, >>>>>>Eric >>>>> >>>>>A clear weakening of playing strength makes it questionable as an "upgrade" in >>>>>my opinion. >>>>>All other extras and improvements should NEVER be at the expense of playing >>>>>strength, Unless specifically made clear. If it's simply not improved, that's >>>>>also not so good, but if it is EVEN WEAKER, then patches must patch up atleast >>>>>that! >>>>>I don't know if any other program was that much weaker than TWO upgrades >>>>>earlier! >>>>>S.Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>It's a _different_ engine, I don't know if they ever claimed it was stronger, >>>>and if they didn't, there is no reason to even _think_ of compensation. If they >>>>did, I personally still wouldn't feel cheated as long as the thing isn't some >>>>random mover or something like that (they added features, that is enough to call >>>>it a new version). Also, I haven't seen any cm6000-cm8000 matches published, >>>>and until someone does, I suggest everyone stop assuming 8000 is weaker than >>>>6000 anyway. >>>> >>>> >>>>John >>> >>>As I have said, There are sooo many results reported on this forum, that I don't >>>see we need to wait for something to be "published". >>>Next year will be too late to ask for a new patch for CM8000. >>>S.Taylor >> >>I don't follow - I have read several of the Chessmaster posts, too and haven't >>seen anything suggesting that CM8000 _isn't_ much stronger than CM6000 . >> >>IMHO there are two possible explanations for the disappointment with the CM8000 >>results : >> >>a.) CM loses some match - then an alternative personality is created and >>surprise : it scores better - then this personality is tested . >> >>Result reports usually look like this : >> >>Octopus - 37.0/56 >>Fortress - 36.5 >>Devourer - 31.0 >>8555 - 29.5 >>Omega - 29.0 >>8777 - 29.0 >>Kiwi(Banks3) - 28.5 >>Deep CM - 28.0 >>Rudidio(KKND)- 27.5 >>Utzinger - 26.5 >>Titan - 26.5 >>Extra - 24.5 >>Chessmaster16- 24.0 >>El Rey - 21.5 >>Mg1 - 21.0 >> >>I can't draw any conclusions out of this result , can you ? >> >>The only trend I got so far is that a higher value for SS is better at longer >>time controls again. >> >>b.) Maybe CM6000 is worse than its results in the SSDF suggest - this might very >>well be the case : it played the minimum number of games necessary and it played >>_very_ few games against other top programs . >> >> >>CM8000 really scored bad against Fritz and partly Junior ; I am looking forward >>to a match against the Tigers - it seems to do quite OK against them in my >>basement, especially against Gambit Tiger . >> >>pete > >I'm sorry if you I read things wrongly, but I thought it was quite obvious to >daily readers of this forum. >There are countless examples, so don't say what I'm missing out when I just >quote one recent example, which is that CM8000 got a minus score against Junior >5, whereas CM6000 beat Junior 5, 2-0.[both are in official testings] > I could dig up much much more, if I spent some time over it. >S.Taylor You make all these statements yet your first post; http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?170600 in this thread indicates that you know nothing? Sarah.
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