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Subject: Re: Braingames/Chessbase disinformation reigns

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 15:15:40 08/09/01

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On August 09, 2001 at 16:36:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On August 09, 2001 at 11:29:30, Christopher A. Morgan wrote:
>
>>
>>The following direct quotes are taken from the Braingames site, sponsor of the
>>Kramnik v. Deep Fritz match.  Disinformation reigns.  Disinformation is
>>information that is intended to mislead.
>>
>>?Chess champion to play 'smartest' supercomputer.?
>>
>>? ?Put it this way, the Deep Blue supercomputer that beat Kasparov in 1997
>>weighed 1.4 tons, was over 6ft high and needed 20 people to keep it running. The
>>new Deep Fritz can run on a laptop. Even on a fast desktop machine it will be
>>able to achieve the playing level of any incarnation of Deep Blue. I?ll let you
>>draw your own conclusions as to what this is going to do to Kramnik.? Frederic
>>Friedel of ChessBase.?
>
>
>Note that this is the same guy that told Garry Kasparov how to prepare to beat
>Deep Blue in 1997.  Full of good advice and factual statements as you can see.

Do you know Frederic?

I don't know the full extent of the whole "Chessbase and CSS are evil" thing,
and if there is a lot of truth to it, I don't know where the evil comes from.

Perhaps Frederic is evil.  If you talk to Frederic, you won't get that
impression.  He is a very soft-spoken honest-sounding guy who seems to have a
lot of intelligence and insight.

Okay, so let's say that Frederic, doing the best he can to support his friend
Gary, said some stupid stuff to Gary.  Big deal.  I have a hard time condemning
people for doing occasional stupid things, otherwise I'd have to condemn myself
next time I do something stupid, and that's going to happen in less than an
hour, I bet.

>>?There is no guarantee, however, that Deep Fritz 7, designed by computer and
>>chess specialists, is indeed the strongest chess computer ever created.?
>>
>>Deep Fritz is a chess program, of course, not a ?chess computer.?  There is no
>>mention whatsoever of the hardware to be used in the match and/or its comparison
>>to Deep Blue, and for good reason, there is no comparison between the two.  Deep
>>Fritz is a child?s toy compared to the last Deep Blue.
>>
>>Supercomputer?  Since when has a bundle of 8 PC microprocessors been considered
>>a supercomputer?   That Deep Fritz can achieve ?the playing level of any
>>incarnation of Deep Blue? on a fast desktop machine is a completely false
>>statement on its face, by many magnitudes,  and Friedel knows it.
>
>
>Of course it is false.  an 8-way box has about as much in common with a
>super-computer as does my calculator.  Both are digital, but that is where
>the simularities stop.  This is basically marketing nonsense spun to justify
>the huge prize fund and attract interest.  If it blows up in his face, he is
>going to look pretty silly.

Could be.  There could also be a few crazy reporters involved.  I never fully
believe any quote I read in the newspaper.

I bet they are hyping it at least a bit.  The lure would be almost impossible to
resist, and it's not just they who'd do it.

Imagine what IBM would say about DB now, if they brought it back.

If you would like Frederic's email address I'm sure I can find it.

bruce




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