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Subject: Re: Can Deep Fritz 7 find better moves than Deep Blue in 1997 ??

Author: Bruce Moreland

Date: 10:25:10 08/10/01

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On August 10, 2001 at 02:57:51, Peter Berger wrote:

>On August 09, 2001 at 12:33:47, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>On August 09, 2001 at 07:12:11, Tanya Deborah wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi!
>>>
>>>Is really Deep Fritz running in 8 processors stronger that Deep Blue (97)???
>>>
>>>
>>>I hear that Deep Fritz 7 will see 5 millions nodes per second. It is enough to
>>>beat the World Champion???
>>>
>>>I think that if Deep Fritz could see 500 millions nodes per second, Kramnik will
>>>be dead.
>>>
>>>And why i find an article that said that Deep Fritz 7 recently beat Deep Blue,
>>>the same machine that beat Kasparov in 1997.  It is true?????  Where i can find
>>>the games??
>>>
>>>Thanks a lot!
>>
>>Reporters seem to be like chess players, in a sense.  If you give them a
>>position that is recognizeable, they will see patterns and understand stuff and
>>make a sensible move.
>>
>>If you set the board up randomly, they will look at it and not be able to handle
>>it, and won't make a good move.
>>
>>When a reporter covers computer chess, all of them see a scrambled board.  And
>>since they are also under time pressure, their moves are all crap.
>>
>>No, DeepFritz did not recently beat Deep Blue.
>>
>>Fritz 4 (or maybe 3?) beat Deep Thought II in one game in 1995.  Old versions of
>>both, both running on wimped out hardware by today's standards.
>>
>>It's intriguing bait for reporters, because the precursor machines really did
>>play.  But they can't get from that idea to something factual.
>>
>>bruce
>>
>>>Tanya D.
>
>I don't think many reporters were really thinking of this Hongkong game. More
>likely they were confused by the qualifier against Deep Junior.
>
>With Deep Blue,Deep Blue Junior and Deep Junior it's easy to fail.
>
>And if they read that Fritz qualified in a computer match to challenge the
>worldmaster they probably assumed Deep Blue as a logical opponent.

Also, if they hear that there was a qualifier, they assume that the best
programs played -- they assume that the winner is our de-facto champion.

It is possible that the best programs did play, but it's true that many who
might have won did not play.

Something tells me that *nobody* anywhere near this event has mentioned that we
have a computer world champion, and it is not Fritz.

This is leading down very predictable lines.

bruce

>
>pete



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