Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 09:32:38 09/14/01
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The endgame databases don't contain values that are in accord with the FIDE
rules.
Some have proposed that the FIDE rules be changed, but FIDE seems insistent that
the tables be changed.
Some programmers have suggested that the rules be changed for tournaments.
I think that the FIDE rules are fine.
bruce
On September 14, 2001 at 10:13:38, Michael Schmolei wrote:
>In the 4th matchgame between Chess Tiger 14.0 (Lokasoft-GUI) and Fritz 6 of my
>tournament it came to this position:
>
>
>
>[d] 8/3B4/1B2nk2/8/5pK1/8/8/8 w - -
>
>after 95. Bc8 Chess Tiger says an unbelievable mate in 72!!
>
>the rest of the game:
>95. Bc8 Ke5 96. Ba7 Kd6 97. Kf5 Nc7 98. Kxf4 Nd5+ 99. Kf3 Ke5
>100. Bb7 Nc3 101. Ke3 Nd5+ 102. Kd3 Nf4+ 103. Kc4 Ke6
>104. Bb8 Kf5 105. Bc6 Nh5 106. Kd4 Nf6 107. Bg2 Ke6
>108. Bh3+ Ke7 109. Ba7 Nd7 110. Kd5 Nf6+ 111. Ke5 Kf7
>112. Bd4 Ne8 113. Bf5 Nf6 114. Bc2 Ne8 115. Bb3+ Kg6
>116. Kf4 Ng7 117. Kg4 Ne8 118. Bc2+ Kf7 119. Kg5 Ke6
>120. Bb3+ Kd6 121. Bf2 Nc7 122. Bg3+ Kc6 123. Ba4+ Kb6
>124. Kf5 Nb5 125. Bf2+ Ka5 126. Bb3 Kb4 127. Be6 Kc3
>128. Ke4 Kb4 129. Bg8 Nd6+ 130. Kd5 Nc4 131. Bf7 Kc3
>132. Bd4+ Kb4 133. Bf6 Nd2 134. Bg6 Nf3 135. Bd8 Nd2
>136. Bh4 Kb3 137. Kc5 Nf3 138. Bf6 Ng1 139. Bh5 Kc2
>140. Kd4 Kd2 141. Bg5+ Ke1 142. Ke3 Kf1 143. Bg4 Ke1
>144. Be6 Kf1 145. Bd5 Nh3 146. Bh4 Ng1 147. Bb7 Nh3
>148. Kf3 1/2-1/2
>and both engines autosaved the game as a DRAW!!
>What happened? The 50 moves rule was reached!!
>
>Here the complete pgn-notation (with notes from Fritz6-side):
>
>[Event "Masters Turnier"]
>[Site "Wattenscheid"]
>[Date "2001.09.08"]
>[Round "4"]
>[White "Chess Tiger 14.0"]
>[Black "Fritz 6"]
>[ECO "E14"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1. d4 {0} Nf6 {0} 2. Nf3 {0} e6 {0} 3. c4 {0} b6 {0} 4. e3
>{0} Bb7 {0} 5. Bd3 {0} Be7 {0} 6. O-O {0} c5 {0} 7. b3 {0}
>cxd4 {0} 8. Nxd4 {letzter Buchzug 177} O-O {0.09/14 189}
>9. Bb2 {198} d5 {0.09/14 175} 10. Nd2 {449} Nbd7 { 0.09/13
>147} 11. Rc1 {165} Rc8 {0.03/13 182} 12. Bb1 {435} Bb4 {
>-0.13/12 238} 13. cxd5 {216} Rxc1 {0.06/13 339} 14. Qxc1
>{279} Bxd5 {0.09/13 222} 15. a3 {278} Bxd2 {0.12/14 281}
>16. Qxd2 {26} Qa8 { 0.06/14 158} 17. f3 {295} e5 {0.12/15
>223} 18. e4 {163} exd4 { 0.28/15 241} 19. exd5 {30} Qxd5
>{0.22/15 194} 20. Bc2 {318} Rc8 { 0.28/14 184} 21. Rc1
>{392} Re8 {0.22/14 262} 22. Qxd4 {146} Qg5 { 0.28/14 239}
>23. g3 {136} a6 {0.12/13 147} 24. Bd3 {205} a5 { 0.25/13
>210} 25. f4 {764} Qh5 {0.31/14 279} 26. b4 {165} axb4 {
>0.37/12 155} 27. axb4 {130} h6 {0.53/14 273} 28. Bf1 {127}
>Qf5 { 0.47/14 286} 29. Bc4 {131} Qh5 {0.56/14 410} 30. Qd2
>{697} Ng4 { 0.47/13 171} 31. h3 {106} Ngf6 {0.56/14 241}
>32. Kg2 {113} Qg6 { 0.62/13 138} 33. Qd4 {116} Ne4 {0.59/13
>242} 34. g4 {251} Ndf6 { 0.78/13 270} 35. Kh2 {276} Nxg4+
>{0.56/13 360} 36. hxg4 {130} Qxg4 {0.41/12 85} 37. Rc2 {84}
>Qg3+ {0.19/12 100} 38. Kh1 {0} Nd6 { 0.00/13 234} 39. Re2
>{143} Rxe2 {0.00/14 213} 40. Bxe2 {166} Nf5 { 0.00/13 65}
>41. Qd8+ {91} Kh7 {0.00/7 0} 42. Qd3 {113} g6 { 0.00/14 81}
>43. Qf3 {84} Qe1+ {0.06/14 78} 44. Kh2 {90} Qxb4 { 0.00/14
>127} 45. Bc3 {87} Qb3 {0.09/13 88} 46. Qc6 {153} Qc2 {
>-0.03/14 228} 47. Qc4 {89} Nd6 {0.00/15 72} 48. Qd3 {70}
>Qxd3 { 0.00/16 93} 49. Bxd3 {23} Nf5 {0.28/16 87} 50. Be5
>{88} Kg8 { 0.84/16 68} 51. Bc7 {75} Ne3 {1.09/17 76}
>52. Kg3 {142} Nd5 { 0.97/16 65} 53. Be5 {162} Kf8 {1.00/15
>52} 54. Be4 {128} Ne7 { 1.03/16 82} 55. Bc7 {70} b5
>{1.03/16 155} 56. Bd3 {144} Nf5+ { 1.03/15 47} 57. Kh3 {61}
>Ke7 {1.00/16 47} 58. Bxb5 {15} Nd6 { 1.09/15 70} 59. Bd3
>{59} f5 {1.09/15 45} 60. Kh4 {108} Ke6 { 1.09/15 61}
>61. Bc2 {73} Ne4 {1.12/15 42} 62. Bb8 {95} Nf6 { 0.87/15
>64} 63. Bd1 {84} Kd5 {0.87/15 77} 64. Bb3+ {46} Ke4 {
>1.00/17 65} 65. Bf7 {44} Nh5 {1.03/17 44} 66. Bxg6 {49}
>Nxf4 { 1.25/17 97} 67. Bh7 {68} Ne6 {1.03/16 68} 68. Bd6
>{39} Ng5 { 1.09/16 70} 69. Bg6 {40} Nf3+ {1.09/15 48}
>70. Kh5 {36} Ne5 { 1.03/16 29} 71. Bh7 {35} Ng4 {1.06/16
>56} 72. Kh4 {34} Nf6 { 1.28/16 34} 73. Bg6 {31} Ng4
>{1.47/16 58} 74. Bf8 {32} Ne5 { 1.56/16 86} 75. Bh7 {52}
>Ng4 {1.59/16 68} 76. Bg7 {29} Kf4 { 1.72/16 31} 77. Kh5
>{65} Ke4 {1.50/17 48} 78. Bc3 {42} Kd3 { 1.50/17 46}
>79. Bh8 {42} Ke4 {1.53/17 45} 80. Bg7 {41} Kf4 { 1.41/16
>23} 81. Kh4 {22} Ne3 {1.69/16 34} 82. Bxh6+ {25} Kf3 {
>1.84/16 42} 83. Kh3 {28} Ng4 {1.72/16 20} 84. Bg5 {35} f4 {
>1.78/16 20} 85. Bf5 {22} Ne5 {1.84/16 38} 86. Bf6 {34} Nc4
>{ 1.91/15 23} 87. Bd3 {26} Nd2 {1.81/15 20} 88. Ba6 {19}
>Ne4 { 1.94/15 20} 89. Bd8 {16} Nc5 {1.94/15 16} 90. Bb5
>{28} Ke4 { 2.19/14 21} 91. Bc6+ {14} Kf5 {2.19/14 27}
>92. Bb6 {14} Ne6 { 2.28/15 19} 93. Bd7 {11} Ke5 {2.91/16
>16} 94. Kg4 {15} Kf6 { 3.47/15 13} 95. Bc8 {14} Ke5 {#73/15
>4} 96. Ba7 {11} Kd6 {#71/11 0} 97. Kf5 {0} Nc7 {#70/7 0}
>98. Kxf4 {0} Nd5+ {#69/6 0} 99. Kf3 {0} Ke5 {#68/6 0}
>100. Bb7 {0} Nc3 {#67/6 0} 101. Ke3 {0} Nd5+ {#66/6 0}
>102. Kd3 {0} Nf4+ {#65/6 0} 103. Kc4 {0} Ke6 {#64/6 0}
>104. Bb8 {0} Kf5 {#63/6 0} 105. Bc6 {0} Nh5 {#62/6 0}
>106. Kd4 {0 } Nf6 {#61/6 0} 107. Bg2 {0} Ke6 {#60/6 0}
>108. Bh3+ {0} Ke7 {#59/6 0} 109. Ba7 {0} Nd7 {#58/6 0}
>110. Kd5 {0} Nf6+ { #57/6 0} 111. Ke5 {0} Kf7 {#56/6 0}
>112. Bd4 {0} Ne8 {#55/6 0} 113. Bf5 {0} Nf6 {#54/6 0}
>114. Bc2 {0} Ne8 {#53/6 0} 115. Bb3+ { 0} Kg6 {#52/6 0}
>116. Kf4 {0} Ng7 {#51/6 0} 117. Kg4 {0} Ne8 {#50/6 0}
>118. Bc2+ {0} Kf7 {#49/6 0} 119. Kg5 {0} Ke6 { #48/6 0}
>120. Bb3+ {0} Kd6 {#47/6 0} 121. Bf2 {0} Nc7 {#46/6 0}
>122. Bg3+ {0} Kc6 {#45/6 0} 123. Ba4+ {0} Kb6 {#44/6 0}
>124. Kf5 {0} Nb5 {#43/6 0} 125. Bf2+ {0} Ka5 {#42/6 0}
>126. Bb3 {0} Kb4 {#41/6 0} 127. Be6 {0} Kc3 {#40/6 0}
>128. Ke4 {0} Kb4 { #39/6 0} 129. Bg8 {0} Nd6+ {#38/6 0}
>130. Kd5 {0} Nc4 {#37/6 0} 131. Bf7 {0} Kc3 {#36/6 0}
>132. Bd4+ {0} Kb4 {#35/6 0} 133. Bf6 { 0} Nd2 {#34/6 0}
>134. Bg6 {0} Nf3 {#33/6 0} 135. Bd8 {0} Nd2 {#32/6 0}
>136. Bh4 {0} Kb3 {#31/6 0} 137. Kc5 {0} Nf3 { #30/6 0}
>138. Bf6 {0} Ng1 {#29/6 0} 139. Bh5 {0} Kc2 {#28/6 0}
>140. Kd4 {0} Kd2 {#27/6 0} 141. Bg5+ {0} Ke1 {#26/6 0}
>142. Ke3 { 0} Kf1 {#25/6 0} 143. Bg4 {0} Ke1 {#24/6 0}
>144. Be6 {0} Kf1 {#23/6 0} 145. Bd5 {0} Nh3 {#22/6 0}
>146. Bh4 {0} Ng1 { #21/6 0} 147. Bb7 {0} Nh3 {#20/6 0}
>148. Kf3 {1} 1-0
>
>(Chess Tiger won the match 7,5-2,5)
>
>Regards
>Michael
>
><a href="http://members.tripod.de/Michaels_Schachpage" target="_blank">Michaels
>Schachpage</a>
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